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[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

I'd say jlo is probably predominately white (Spanish)
But I can see Taino in her too

And Ricky Martin is what I'd call a white hispanic

Like I'm sure he may have those "other" roots too but it doesn't register for me . So it's probably super far back

[Martin Green]

Joe's use of the N-word is also problematic. He is a white Hispanic. His parents are also white Hispanics. Not to mention their cuban descent. I'm going to generalize a bit, but Cubans are largely Republican with often anti-black views, especially those from Florida. Not saying Joe is Republican, but that certain upbringings and ideologies aligned w/ anti-blackness might inform part of his life perspective.

i don't think Joe is White.

he's very light but looks more Indigenous than anything. (Taino) then White and some African.
I know PR people who look like him and have parents that are leaning almost fully Taino.

his features - that nose, his eyes, etc. he's not a Ricky Martin by a long shot.
he's most definitely of color.

i can see ppl having a problem with him saying the "n" word though. he's def not a Black man.

That's fair! Joe may be part taino or fully taino. A large number of PR do have taino backgrounds. But agreed, the major point is that he's not a black man. Though, I disagree with the use of the N-word regardless of race. His disrespect of black women is a major sticking point in this case though. We definitely have to demand respect b/c ppl will treat you the way you allow them to. And while Joe surrounds himself with a number of black people, I wonder how pro-black he really is. Not saying he isn't, just curious.

[CHOKE]

[Annie]

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I remember how controversial this J lo song was. Ja Rule told her it was ok to just follow Ashanti's demo? 
It's censored in the original vid she got on her channel.

[Annie]

2001:
"For anyone to think or suggest that I'm racist is really absurd and hateful to me," the singer-actress tells The Associated Press. "The use of the word in the song ... it was actually written by Ja Rule [and] it was not meant to be hurtful to anybody," she said during an interview on NBC's Today show this morning.

"I don't want to give it too much energy," Lopez said of the controversy. "I'm here to perform for the fans and that's what I'm going to do."

Ja Rule:  Ja, who penned the cut after being asked to collaborate with J. Lo by Sony Music CEO Tommy Mottola, said he doesn't see why Lopez has received flack for using the "n-word" on the track.

"I think it's silly," Ja said. "I think the whole thing, like everything else, is being blown out of proportion. She's not the first Latino to use that word on a record, and it's never been an issue before. I think it's just that she's a very high-profile star and it's something to let people get a chance to poke at her."

[Annie]

As a Puerto Rican rapper, have you ever been criticized for using the N Word?No absolutely not. Because blacks and Latinos anywhere you go in any hood, any ghetto, we're right beside each other, and with each other all the time especially in New York City. They've been calling me "that nigga" my whole life. I go to Africa, and the Africans say "what's up Fat Joe my nigga-ah?" So they don't have a problem with it. It's a term of endearment.

http://joelapuma.com/?portfolio=interview-fat-joe-talks-retaliation-towards-50-cent-the-n-word-and-new-york-rap

[Marilyn]

His fat ass know he didn't have to call them dusty bitches. I don't think it was anti-black moment though. Just an ignorant QUICK comeback. Remy is as black as they come and that's his A1.

[CHOKE]

As a Puerto Rican rapper, have you ever been criticized for using the N Word?No absolutely not. Because blacks and Latinos anywhere you go in any hood, any ghetto, we're right beside each other, and with each other all the time especially in New York City. They've been calling me "that nigga" my whole life. I go to Africa, and the Africans say "what's up Fat Joe my nigga-ah?" So they don't have a problem with it. It's a term of endearment.

http://joelapuma.com/?portfolio=interview-fat-joe-talks-retaliation-towards-50-cent-the-n-word-and-new-york-rap

Yeah, dis kinda what Fro was sayin a while back

[L0NZ.]

Yeah, as black people we definitely need to treat these situations w/ bold indignation. This type of mindset likely comes into play when Joe is hiring for his businesses and in the way he might raise his children. It's misogynoir. But some black people, specifically black men, allow just about anything in rap.

Love your vibe

[Annie]

When Latinx People Use the N-Word

Many of us assume our proximity to black people makes it O.K. for us to say the word. It's not. Oct. 17, 2019

And during a recent appearance on the New York hip-hop radio station Hot 97, the Puerto Rican and Cuban-American rapper Fat Joe equated Latinx people with African-Americans, adding that they "may even identify themselves with African and black culture more than black people." The comment prompted debate online, in part because his own long history of casual N-word usage fundamentally overlooked how the slur is weaponized against blacks in ways it cannot be against nonblack Latinx people such as himself.


[...]

Perhaps within their inner circles and among their black friends they are able to use the word without consequence — the rapper Ja Rule, Ms. Lopez's featured guest on "I'm Real," defended her. (She also claimed in the midst of protests and opposition from major radio personalities over the single that it was he who wrote the lyric for her.) But as public figures whose language choices affect a greater number of people with different experiences and perspectives, it reflects poorly. And each star failed to understand the gravity of the word and its relationship to black pain, responding in tone-deaf, defensive non-apologies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/opinion/gina-rodriguez-n-word-latinx.html

[L0NZ.]

His fat ass know he didn't have to call them dusty bitches. I don't think it was anti-black moment though. Just an ignorant QUICK comeback. Remy is as black as they come and that's his A1.

!!!! He meant dusty as far as status, even tho Rem........

But he holds her in really high regard.

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

Joe's use of the N-word is also problematic. He is a white Hispanic. His parents are also white Hispanics. Not to mention their cuban descent. I'm going to generalize a bit, but Cubans are largely Republican with often anti-black views, especially those from Florida. Not saying Joe is Republican, but that certain upbringings and ideologies aligned w/ anti-blackness might inform part of his life perspective.

i don't think Joe is White.

he's very light but looks more Indigenous than anything. (Taino) then White and some African.
I know PR people who look like him and have parents that are leaning almost fully Taino.

his features - that nose, his eyes, etc. he's not a Ricky Martin by a long shot.
he's most definitely of color.

i can see ppl having a problem with him saying the "n" word though. he's def not a Black man.

That's fair! Joe may be part taino or fully taino. A large number of PR do have taino backgrounds. But agreed, the major point is that he's not a black man. Though, I disagree with the use of the N-word regardless of race. His disrespect of black women is a major sticking point in this case though. We definitely have to demand respect b/c ppl will treat you the way you allow them to. And while Joe surrounds himself with a number of black people, I wonder how pro-black he really is. Not saying he isn't, just curious.

i kinda feel for people like Fat Joe who literally grew up in the hood, shared the same turf as Black people...grew up in the hip hop culture (which includes the "n" word)...had the same struggles...and genuinely feel ONE with the community

and are suddenly being told "u cant say that". i do think it's unreasonable to not only expect these people to know they shouldn't be saying something they've been saying for decades with no malice and no issue, but to also LABEL them a certain way - racist, etc.

BUT at the same time, if black people themselves have to spend time UN-learning things ..such as what words we use when speaking with one another...dropping words like "nappy" from our vocabulary - whether or not it's meant to be malicious....

someone like fat joe should be prepared to UN-learn things as well. and be open to dropping a word or two from his vocab too. he doesn't get a pass from the classroom. lol
ultimately it comes down to the rule of intent vs. impact....the latter being the most significant factor

so although i am reasonable enough to understand WHY someone like fat joe is comfortable using certain language, so it literally never offends me..... i feel he should be open to learning why it may offend people when it's said in 2021.

[Martin Green]

Joe's use of the N-word is also problematic. He is a white Hispanic. His parents are also white Hispanics. Not to mention their cuban descent. I'm going to generalize a bit, but Cubans are largely Republican with often anti-black views, especially those from Florida. Not saying Joe is Republican, but that certain upbringings and ideologies aligned w/ anti-blackness might inform part of his life perspective.

i don't think Joe is White.

he's very light but looks more Indigenous than anything. (Taino) then White and some African.
I know PR people who look like him and have parents that are leaning almost fully Taino.

his features - that nose, his eyes, etc. he's not a Ricky Martin by a long shot.
he's most definitely of color.

i can see ppl having a problem with him saying the "n" word though. he's def not a Black man.

That's fair! Joe may be part taino or fully taino. A large number of PR do have taino backgrounds. But agreed, the major point is that he's not a black man. Though, I disagree with the use of the N-word regardless of race. His disrespect of black women is a major sticking point in this case though. We definitely have to demand respect b/c ppl will treat you the way you allow them to. And while Joe surrounds himself with a number of black people, I wonder how pro-black he really is. Not saying he isn't, just curious.

i kinda feel for people like Fat Joe who literally grew up in the hood, shared the same turf as Black people...grew up in the hip hop culture (which includes the "n" word)...had the same struggles...and genuinely feel ONE with the community

and are suddenly being told "u cant say that". i do think it's unreasonable to not only expect these people to know they shouldn't be saying something they've been saying for decades with no malice and no issue, but to also LABEL them a certain way - racist, etc.

BUT at the same time, if black people themselves have to spend time UN-learning things ..such as what words we use when speaking with one another...dropping words like "nappy" from our vocabulary - whether or not it's meant to be malicious....

someone like fat joe should be prepared to UN-learn things as well. and be open to dropping a word or two from his vocab too. he doesn't get a pass from the classroom. lol
ultimately it comes down to the rule of intent vs. impact....the latter being the most significant factor

so although i am reasonable enough to understand WHY someone like fat joe is comfortable using certain language, so it literally never offends me..... i feel he should be open to learning why it may offend people when it's said in 2021.

I agree w/ this! Joe definitely has to consider unlearning some things. B/c I grew up with poor white people who went to a majority black school and black culture was all they knew, but (at least for me), I made sure my white friends understood that just b/c some black people excuse the N-word doesn't mean all will.

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

Joe's use of the N-word is also problematic. He is a white Hispanic. His parents are also white Hispanics. Not to mention their cuban descent. I'm going to generalize a bit, but Cubans are largely Republican with often anti-black views, especially those from Florida. Not saying Joe is Republican, but that certain upbringings and ideologies aligned w/ anti-blackness might inform part of his life perspective.

i don't think Joe is White.

he's very light but looks more Indigenous than anything. (Taino) then White and some African.
I know PR people who look like him and have parents that are leaning almost fully Taino.

his features - that nose, his eyes, etc. he's not a Ricky Martin by a long shot.
he's most definitely of color.

i can see ppl having a problem with him saying the "n" word though. he's def not a Black man.

That's fair! Joe may be part taino or fully taino. A large number of PR do have taino backgrounds. But agreed, the major point is that he's not a black man. Though, I disagree with the use of the N-word regardless of race. His disrespect of black women is a major sticking point in this case though. We definitely have to demand respect b/c ppl will treat you the way you allow them to. And while Joe surrounds himself with a number of black people, I wonder how pro-black he really is. Not saying he isn't, just curious.

i kinda feel for people like Fat Joe who literally grew up in the hood, shared the same turf as Black people...grew up in the hip hop culture (which includes the "n" word)...had the same struggles...and genuinely feel ONE with the community

and are suddenly being told "u cant say that". i do think it's unreasonable to not only expect these people to know they shouldn't be saying something they've been saying for decades with no malice and no issue, but to also LABEL them a certain way - racist, etc.

BUT at the same time, if black people themselves have to spend time UN-learning things ..such as what words we use when speaking with one another...dropping words like "nappy" from our vocabulary - whether or not it's meant to be malicious....

someone like fat joe should be prepared to UN-learn things as well. and be open to dropping a word or two from his vocab too. he doesn't get a pass from the classroom. lol
ultimately it comes down to the rule of intent vs. impact....the latter being the most significant factor

so although i am reasonable enough to understand WHY someone like fat joe is comfortable using certain language, so it literally never offends me..... i feel he should be open to learning why it may offend people when it's said in 2021.

I agree w/ this! Joe definitely has to consider unlearning some things. B/c I grew up with poor white people who went to a majority black school and black culture was all they knew, but (at least for me), I made sure my white friends understood that just b/c some black people excuse the N-word doesn't mean all will.

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