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[stillpretty]

What exactly is the point of the FBA movement besides trying to divide the different groups of black people who live in the US? What does it accomplish?

im on the FBA website now and it's basically saying a lot of what I said in my previous post

Which is: True Black Americanness is about loyalty and prioritization of our best interests above all else

It's damn near word for word.

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I think I'm an FBA mess owt

They're even calling out "full" black Americans who apparently lack that loyalty and prioritization . And say they should be side eyed.

Even full FBA who has a history of prioritizing other groups, religions, and sexual intersectionality over the best interests of Foundational Black Americans, must be viewed with reservations.

https://officialfba.com/

And they're making exceptions for those who aren't "full" FBA but who DO show that loyalty. I agree .

The deepest and most important concern seems to be "who's really with us?" and not "who was born fully FBA? Who's in our exclusive club hehe"

The "sexual intersectionality" mess is givin me just a bit of pause - I'd need more context on that . but everything else is chefs kiss.

I get it.

[Summertime]

And honestly coming up in here to co-sign this Gordita and his foolery only lends credence to any ideas that FBAs have about drawing lines and side-eyeing and closely watching those who they don't deem to be FBA

Being truly Black American isn't just about you being born into it IMO. It's about loving black American-ness, defending it when when necessary, staying on code when necessary , dragging tf out of anyone who tries it when necessary , prioritizing the needs/best interests of the community over any others

And loving GODlanta.

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I see it as being about being of the bloodline and culture and gatekeeping. AAVE, food, commonalities, family histories, etc. cannot be flattened bc of shared race.
Other ethnicities delineate so black americans doing it isn't new. Even tribes throughout the world in many countries do it. An Igbo isn't going to view a Fulani as the same as them. A Chechen and Russian aren't going to view themselves as same from an ethnic perspective. Kurds and Persians don't see themselves as the same. From a nationality perspective as Americans we aren't going to see us as being the same as Canadians.

[stillpretty]

And honestly coming up in here to co-sign this Gordita and his foolery only lends credence to any ideas that FBAs have about drawing lines and side-eyeing and closely watching those who they don't deem to be FBA

Being truly Black American isn't just about you being born into it IMO. It's about loving black American-ness, defending it when when necessary, staying on code when necessary , dragging tf out of anyone who tries it when necessary , prioritizing the needs/best interests of the community over any others

And loving GODlanta.

Dndndndnnfndnd

I see it as being about being of the bloodline and culture and gatekeeping. AAVE, food, commonalities, family histories, etc. cannot be flattened bc of shared race.
Other ethnicities delineate so black americans doing it isn't new. Even tribes throughout the world in many countries do it. An Igbo isn't going to view a Fulani as the same as them. A Chechen and Russian aren't going to view themselves as same from an ethnic perspective. Kurds and Persians don't see themselves as the same. From a nationality perspective as Americans we aren't going to see us as being the same as Canadians.

that part

People acting as if this is something new. it's giving "black Americans have the NERVE to gate keep and separate themselves".

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Yea toots we do. just like other groups

[❄️☃️🌨� Shuji Feels Different 🌨�☃️❄️]

It's the same sort of tribalism that he kept Africa deeply divided though.

[Barbie Dangerous]

And honestly coming up in here to co-sign this Gordita and his foolery only lends credence to any ideas that FBAs have about drawing lines and side-eyeing and closely watching those who they don't deem to be FBA

Being truly Black American isn't just about you being born into it IMO. It's about loving black American-ness, defending it when when necessary, staying on code when necessary , dragging tf out of anyone who tries it when necessary , prioritizing the needs/best interests of the community over any others

And loving GODlanta.

Dndndndnnfndnd

I see it as being about being of the bloodline and culture and gatekeeping. AAVE, food, commonalities, family histories, etc. cannot be flattened bc of shared race.
Other ethnicities delineate so black americans doing it isn't new. Even tribes throughout the world in many countries do it. An Igbo isn't going to view a Fulani as the same as them. A Chechen and Russian aren't going to view themselves as same from an ethnic perspective. Kurds and Persians don't see themselves as the same. From a nationality perspective as Americans we aren't going to see us as being the same as Canadians.

that part

People acting as if this is something new. it's giving "black Americans have the NERVE to gate keep and separate themselves".

Cnnffnfnfmcmcmc

Yea toots we do. just like other groups

Lemme get in here for a min. It's okay for any other race or culture to gatekeeper but inclusivity has to be the norm when it comes to black America.

[Pearls Khan]

It's very counterproductive. We have so many different types of people in this country with different stories. Why are we shutting out so many of the people who look like us from other places and mixed people who all experience some of the same racism we experience? We are stronger when there is more of us coming together. Cutting ourselves into little groups against each other just makes us have that much less of a voice, imo.

This is what BA were doing literally from the 60s-10s. The reason these ADOS & FBA groups are just now popping up is because we've tried that inclusivity stuff with those who look like us, only for them to chip away at our global accomplishment, contributions and influence and claim (some of) it as their own. Africans and Carribeans are the ones who drew the lines of "blackness" first. Before being "black" was the trend, they were quick to correct you on their identity and to let you know we (BA) don't have history/culture nor know our roots. I love US fr regardless, but this kumbaya message would be better directed towards them, imo.

[stillpretty]

I'm not against finding commonalities

I know plenty of people who are Afro-this or afro-that and I def can appreciate  the whole "we were just dropped off the ship at different places" idea

Cuz it's true in a sense

But best believe if one of them say some slick mess about Black Americans ... lines will be drawn and feelings will be hurt

[Summertime]

It's very counterproductive. We have so many different types of people in this country with different stories. Why are we shutting out so many of the people who look like us from other places and mixed people who all experience some of the same racism we experience? We are stronger when there is more of us coming together. Cutting ourselves into little groups against each other just makes us have that much less of a voice, imo.

right there was a whole pan african movement and we are all the same, but then

This is what BA were doing literally from the 60s-10s. The reason these ADOS & FBA groups are just now popping up is because we've tried that inclusivity stuff with those who look like us, only for them to chip away at our global accomplishment, contributions and influence and claim (some of) it as their own. Africans and Carribeans are the ones who drew the lines of "blackness" first. Before being "black" was the trend, they were quick to correct you on their identity and to let you know we (BA) don't have history/culture nor know our roots. I love US fr regardless, but this kumbaya message would be better directed towards them, imo.

For example, Burna Boy's comments last year on black americans and culture.
Which makes the ppl against black americans delineation even more disingenuous because ppl will delineate black americans when it's time to insult that origin.

[❄️☃️🌨� Shuji Feels Different 🌨�☃️❄️]

So the two (or how ever many) are going to continue talking shit about each other, and then what? Afro-Caribbean, Pan-Africans, FBAs, Africans...all have people with extreme views and people whose views don't represent the majority. To use that to further fuel division is silly to me. I'll continue to support blackness as much as I can. I don't give a fuck if where that blackness come from. And I wouldn't let the ignorant views of a few change that. The pale demons will forever keep us divided with shit like this.

[stillpretty]

So the two (or how ever many) are going to continue talking shit about each other, and then what? Afro-Caribbean, Pan-Africans, FBAs, Africans...all have people with extreme views and people whose views don't represent the majority. To use that to further fuel division is silly to me. I'll continue to support blackness as much as I can. I don't give a fuck if where that blackness come from. And I wouldn't let the ignorant views of a few change that. The pale demons will forever keep us divided with shit like this.

this whole "y'all idiots playing into massa's hands!" mess is foolery, and outdated IMO

Cuz division is def present and it's largely not the fault of FBAs

A lot of non-American black nationalities come here and look down on BAs. And this isn't something I looked up online or am repeating from a tweet I saw

I've seen people literally try to drag black Americans right in front of me cuz they assume I'm "from an island!" and thought it was a safe space to do so .  Emphasis on thought

Calling people out on their shit and deciding that it's time for hard lines to be drawn is what I'd call necessary division to protect a space

The people who are playing into the white man's mess are the ones who come here promoting and co-signing a lot of damaging messages about BAs - all in an attempt to best align themselves with the idea and image of being a "model minority"

Which is arguably a waste of time considering that labels reserved for the chinks.

[BruceTruMusicFan]

So the two (or how ever many) are going to continue talking shit about each other, and then what? Afro-Caribbean, Pan-Africans, FBAs, Africans...all have people with extreme views and people whose views don't represent the majority. To use that to further fuel division is silly to me. I'll continue to support blackness as much as I can. I don't give a fuck if where that blackness come from. And I wouldn't let the ignorant views of a few change that. The pale demons will forever keep us divided with shit like this.

this whole "y'all idiots playing into massa's hands!" mess is foolery, and outdated IMO

Cuz division is def present and it's largely not the fault of FBAs

A lot of non-American black nationalities come here and look down on BAs. And this isn't something I looked up online or am repeating from a tweet I saw

I've seen people literally try to drag black Americans right in front of me cuz they assume I'm "from an island!" and thought it was a safe space to do so .  Emphasis on thought

Calling people out on their shit and deciding that it's time for hard lines to be drawn is what I'd call necessary division to protect a space

The people who are playing into the white man's mess are the ones who come here promoting and co-signing a lot of damaging messages about BAs - all in an attempt to best align themselves with the idea and image of being a "model minority"

Which is arguably a waste of time considering that labels reserved for the chinks.

Everything you are saying is true, however I don't think lines can be drawn until they remove "Black" from their name. We do not own the definition of who is Black, as it is a physical characteristic shared by people on every inhabited continent. In the US, white people determine who is considered Black. As the majority, it is their perception that shapes how we are viewed and treated in society.

The conversation also needs to address the contributions of non-FBA individuals to Black American culture. Figures like Sidney Poitier, Cicely Tyson, Marcus Garvey, Harry Belafonte, Shirley Chisholm, and even Biggie and Nicki Minaj are people who have contributed significantly to African American Culture but are not FBA. For example, there are mixed people who are culturally white, like Christian Walker, per the rules he is an FBA but Rapper Trina is not? I think that they need to focus on establishing our culture, because the lineage and focusing on Black as a race is built on the same racial supremacy foundations as White Supremacy! I think that the FBA doesn't understand that people can be part of a culture even if their bloodline does not descend from it. And those like Fat Joe, should be clear that they are influenced by African American culture, and not try to brand hip hop as a culture, because its clearly not.

[The Brandy Barbie]

So the two (or how ever many) are going to continue talking shit about each other, and then what? Afro-Caribbean, Pan-Africans, FBAs, Africans...all have people with extreme views and people whose views don't represent the majority. To use that to further fuel division is silly to me. I'll continue to support blackness as much as I can. I don't give a fuck if where that blackness come from. And I wouldn't let the ignorant views of a few change that. The pale demons will forever keep us divided with shit like this.

Ok "A house divided against itself will fall." This division stuff is not smart. That's how they kept slaves on the plantation I fighting each other - light skinned vs dark skinned, and causing division between males and females so they wouldn't look to the real enemies and all work together to get out of their situation.

[stillpretty]

So the two (or how ever many) are going to continue talking shit about each other, and then what? Afro-Caribbean, Pan-Africans, FBAs, Africans...all have people with extreme views and people whose views don't represent the majority. To use that to further fuel division is silly to me. I'll continue to support blackness as much as I can. I don't give a fuck if where that blackness come from. And I wouldn't let the ignorant views of a few change that. The pale demons will forever keep us divided with shit like this.

this whole "y'all idiots playing into massa's hands!" mess is foolery, and outdated IMO

Cuz division is def present and it's largely not the fault of FBAs

A lot of non-American black nationalities come here and look down on BAs. And this isn't something I looked up online or am repeating from a tweet I saw

I've seen people literally try to drag black Americans right in front of me cuz they assume I'm "from an island!" and thought it was a safe space to do so .  Emphasis on thought

Calling people out on their shit and deciding that it's time for hard lines to be drawn is what I'd call necessary division to protect a space

The people who are playing into the white man's mess are the ones who come here promoting and co-signing a lot of damaging messages about BAs - all in an attempt to best align themselves with the idea and image of being a "model minority"

Which is arguably a waste of time considering that labels reserved for the chinks.

Everything you are saying is true, however I don't think lines can be drawn until they remove "Black" from their name. We do not own the definition of who is Black, as it is a physical characteristic shared by people on every inhabited continent. In the US, white people determine who is considered Black. As the majority, it is their perception that shapes how we are viewed and treated in society.

The conversation also needs to address the contributions of non-FBA individuals to Black American culture. Figures like Sidney Poitier, Cicely Tyson, Marcus Garvey, Harry Belafonte, Shirley Chisholm, and even Biggie and Nicki Minaj are people who have contributed significantly to African American Culture but are not FBA. For example, there are mixed people who are culturally white, like Christian Walker, per the rules he is an FBA but Rapper Trina is not? I think that they need to focus on establishing our culture, because the lineage and focusing on Black as a race is built on the same racial supremacy foundations as White Supremacy! I think that the FBA doesn't understand that people can be part of a culture even if their bloodline does not descend from it. And those like Fat Joe, should be clear that they are influenced by African American culture, and not try to brand hip hop as a culture, because its clearly not.

two things can be true at the same time

Non-FBAs (especially Nicki  as u mentioned) can be thanked for what they bring to America and entertaining Black Americans

And there can still be boundaries. No different than healthy relationships with friends/family. Love you, but here's the lines I've drawn - please respect them.

It doesn't have to be this "versus" thing or "fuck y'all!". It doesn't have to be dramatic and malicious.

[oph.]

has anyone said FUCK fat joe in here yet?

[stillpretty]

has anyone said FUCK fat joe in here yet?

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