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[Barbie Dangerous]

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[stillpretty]

he def needs to keep his big spicy mouth off Foundational Black Americans

Remy come get this thing

[stillpretty]

Many who identify as FBAs (foundational black Americans) aren't "racist", they just have their OWN DEFINITION of what Blackness is, and who should be able to participate within stated definitions and boundaries of it

Just like many other races  have their definition of what their mess is. People are not used to Black people drawing lines. A lot of those who identify as FBA are THOROUGHLY screening invitations to the "cookout"

Fjfjjfjfjf and some girls just cannot take.

If Kamala can get called into question by FBAs on some mess as a mixed Black woman, Joe is DEF not beyond reproach.

I fully support the FBA movement cuz most of the talking points which are built on/ stem from it (that I've seen) are rarely unreasonable or a stretch.

I don't personally get offended  or pretend to get offended by someone like Joe  from NYC saying nigga cuz I know the context.

But ultimately that word stems from black American history. And u not gon sit ur washed up nacho grande self and talk about black Americans

Not too much on FBAs

I would accept Joe HUMBLY explaining why he's used to saying the word . But he's sticking out his chest a bit TOO much for my liking.

[Ulysses]

He's making some points

[BruceTruMusicFan]

Many who identify as FBAs (foundational black Americans) aren't "racist", they just have their OWN DEFINITION of what Blackness is, and who should be able to participate within stated definitions and boundaries of it

Just like many other races  have their definition of what their mess is. People are not used to Black people drawing lines. A lot of those who identify as FBA are THOROUGHLY screening invitations to the "cookout"

Fjfjjfjfjf and some girls just cannot take.

If Kamala can get called into question by FBAs on some mess as a mixed Black woman, Joe is DEF not beyond reproach.

I fully support the FBA movement cuz most of the talking points which are built on/ stem from it (that I've seen) are rarely unreasonable or a stretch.

I don't personally get offended  or pretend to get offended by someone like Joe  from NYC saying nigga cuz I know the context.

But ultimately that word stems from black American history. And u not gon sit ur washed up nacho grande self and talk about black Americans

Not too much on FBAs

I would accept Joe HUMBLY explaining why he's used to saying the word . But he's sticking out his chest a bit TOO much for my liking.

Black Americans don't own Blackness. My issue with this is that there are too many arguments about what is and what is not Black (American). It's all rooted in supremacy. It's really no different than white supremacy and a need to feel superior. I see arguments in comments about Joseline, saying she's not Black. Clearly, Joseline is a Black woman. Now, if we are talking culturally, no, she's not Black American. Because she and Fat Joe are not Black Americans, we could ask them not to use the N-word.

However, here's the other side of the coin: How many times a day does Fat Joe get called the N-word? You know we have to police it all. We can't decide 50 years later that we do not want Puerto Ricans to say the N-word. When in reality, out of all Latinos, Puerto Ricans are the most connected to their Blackness. They are also the one group that, in my opinion, has fully embraced Black American culture.

I think many Black Americans are mad that other groups use their ethnicity and nationality to separate themselves from us. This I understand, because I see it all the time in business. They market to Black people in business, they take advantage of loans, school enrollments, and other things meant for Black Americans, but personally do everything to separate themselves by saying, "I'm Nigerian, Dominican, Jamaican," etc.

I just feel that those we have allowed freely to say these things for so long shouldn't be the target. The focus should be to teach Black Americans how to gatekeep because this has only happened because we allow it.

[stillpretty]

Many who identify as FBAs (foundational black Americans) aren't "racist", they just have their OWN DEFINITION of what Blackness is, and who should be able to participate within stated definitions and boundaries of it

Just like many other races  have their definition of what their mess is. People are not used to Black people drawing lines. A lot of those who identify as FBA are THOROUGHLY screening invitations to the "cookout"

Fjfjjfjfjf and some girls just cannot take.

If Kamala can get called into question by FBAs on some mess as a mixed Black woman, Joe is DEF not beyond reproach.

I fully support the FBA movement cuz most of the talking points which are built on/ stem from it (that I've seen) are rarely unreasonable or a stretch.

I don't personally get offended  or pretend to get offended by someone like Joe  from NYC saying nigga cuz I know the context.

But ultimately that word stems from black American history. And u not gon sit ur washed up nacho grande self and talk about black Americans

Not too much on FBAs

I would accept Joe HUMBLY explaining why he's used to saying the word . But he's sticking out his chest a bit TOO much for my liking.

Black Americans don't own Blackness. My issue with this is that there are too many arguments about what is and what is not Black (American). It's all rooted in supremacy. It's really no different than white supremacy and a need to feel superior. I see arguments in comments about Joseline, saying she's not Black. Clearly, Joseline is a Black woman. Now, if we are talking culturally, no, she's not Black American. Because she and Fat Joe are not Black Americans, we could ask them not to use the N-word.

However, here's the other side of the coin: How many times a day does Fat Joe get called the N-word? You know we have to police it all. We can't decide 50 years later that we do not want Puerto Ricans to say the N-word. When in reality, out of all Latinos, Puerto Ricans are the most connected to their Blackness. They are also the one group that, in my opinion, has fully embraced Black American culture.

I think many Black Americans are mad that other groups use their ethnicity and nationality to separate themselves from us. This I understand, because I see it all the time in business. They market to Black people in business, they take advantage of loans, school enrollments, and other things meant for Black Americans, but personally do everything to separate themselves by saying, "I'm Nigerian, Dominican, Jamaican," etc.

I just feel that those we have allowed freely to say these things for so long shouldn't be the target. The focus should be to teach Black Americans how to gatekeep because this has only happened because we allow it.

You kinda contradicted urself here - with the 1st and last sentence.

You said "Black Americans don't own Blackness" (which is crazy to me and totally untrue . Especially considering that this discussion is around the word "nigga" and its usage, AND the fact that when MANY people <especially African descendants of other nationalities> say "Black" is a direct reference to Black Americans, and will CORRECT people when they call them "Black" instead of "Haitian" or "Jamaican", or "Nigerian", etc.)

But then you said Black people need to learn how to gatekeep
Which is something that people ARE trying to learn - as evidenced by Fat Joe being dragged and lines being drawn.

Your interference with this process of learning - by saying things like "Black people don't own Blackness" is directly counterproductive to your proposed goal of "learn how to gatekeep."

ssffsssff

In other words:  How can one gatekeep with no ownership?
or without having a sense of ownership?

Fat Joe is definitely being too cocky with how he's handling this and he DESERVES to be dragged.

[The Brandy Barbie]

It's very counterproductive. We have so many different types of people in this country with different stories. Why are we shutting out so many of the people who look like us from other places and mixed people who all experience some of the same racism we experience? We are stronger when there is more of us coming together. Cutting ourselves into little groups against each other just makes us have that much less of a voice, imo.

That's why the Russian bots were pushing the narrative of "Kamala's not really black," so hard this go round. Because they knew all Trump needed was a few extra percentage points of blacks to win. And if they can get us to chip away at each other on some petty us against them mess, our numbers won't be as strong, and that's all they need.

[oph.]

Many who identify as FBAs (foundational black Americans) aren't "racist", they just have their OWN DEFINITION of what Blackness is, and who should be able to participate within stated definitions and boundaries of it

Just like many other races  have their definition of what their mess is. People are not used to Black people drawing lines. A lot of those who identify as FBA are THOROUGHLY screening invitations to the "cookout"

Fjfjjfjfjf and some girls just cannot take.

If Kamala can get called into question by FBAs on some mess as a mixed Black woman, Joe is DEF not beyond reproach.

I fully support the FBA movement cuz most of the talking points which are built on/ stem from it (that I've seen) are rarely unreasonable or a stretch.

I don't personally get offended  or pretend to get offended by someone like Joe  from NYC saying nigga cuz I know the context.

But ultimately that word stems from black American history. And u not gon sit ur washed up nacho grande self and talk about black Americans

Not too much on FBAs

I would accept Joe HUMBLY explaining why he's used to saying the word . But he's sticking out his chest a bit TOO much for my liking.

Black Americans don't own Blackness. My issue with this is that there are too many arguments about what is and what is not Black (American). It's all rooted in supremacy. It's really no different than white supremacy and a need to feel superior. I see arguments in comments about Joseline, saying she's not Black. Clearly, Joseline is a Black woman. Now, if we are talking culturally, no, she's not Black American. Because she and Fat Joe are not Black Americans, we could ask them not to use the N-word.

However, here's the other side of the coin: How many times a day does Fat Joe get called the N-word? You know we have to police it all. We can't decide 50 years later that we do not want Puerto Ricans to say the N-word. When in reality, out of all Latinos, Puerto Ricans are the most connected to their Blackness. They are also the one group that, in my opinion, has fully embraced Black American culture.

I think many Black Americans are mad that other groups use their ethnicity and nationality to separate themselves from us. This I understand, because I see it all the time in business. They market to Black people in business, they take advantage of loans, school enrollments, and other things meant for Black Americans, but personally do everything to separate themselves by saying, "I'm Nigerian, Dominican, Jamaican," etc.

I just feel that those we have allowed freely to say these things for so long shouldn't be the target. The focus should be to teach Black Americans how to gatekeep because this has only happened because we allow it.

You kinda contradicted urself here - with the 1st and last sentence.

[stillpretty]

It's very counterproductive. We have so many different types of people in this country with different stories. Why are we shutting out so many of the people who look like us from other places and mixed people who all experience some of the same racism we experience? We are stronger when there is more of us coming together. Cutting ourselves into little groups against each other just makes us have that much less of a voice, imo.

That's why the Russian bots were pushing the narrative of "Kamala's not really black," so hard this go round. Because they knew all Trump needed was a few extra percentage points of blacks to win. And if they can get us to chip away at each other on some petty us against them mess, our numbers won't be as strong, and that's all they need.

IMO this is def a case of "two things can be true at the same time"

thing 1 being: Yes Black people have different stories and different backgrounds all while facing similar challenges - so there's much to connect on

thing 2 being: Yes it's OK to acknowledge and discuss the nuances of differences among African-descended people and not pretend like things don't exist

We can't forget how brushing things under a rug and this "everyone's the same" attitude has affected the community in the past and present. All the passiveness, evasiveness with certain topics can actually be HARMFUL to people in our community - and has been used to GASLIGHT people within our community ....especially Black women...as we try to undo generations of avoiding tough conversations.

there are inherent social and even economic effects that come with a lot of these differences. People aren't drawing lines and having conversations just for fun. They are highlighting real issues that deserve time and attention . i'm 100% with those who strongly identify with and promote FBA.

But to ur point , I also believe in finding common ground with others too.

and if Joe loves Black people and Blackness as much as he claims. he'd humble himself , close his mouth and LISTEN as a man who is NOT largely perceived to be Black - no matter how he chooses to identify on Wednesday or Saturday.

[Barbie Dangerous]

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[❄️☃️🌨� Shuji Feels Different 🌨�☃️❄️]

I had the most IGNORANT argument the other day with one of these FBA types. I was born in Miami to an African American father and an Afro-Guyanese Mom. He doesn't consider me Black American and flat out told me I had no business trying to claim to be. I rarely agree with Dangerously Deluded Barbie, but I think she is right. A lot of this FBA movement is rooted in the need for supremacy. Some black people want the same privileges that the whites have. The privilege to oppress others. I have no issue with Black Americans trying to an identity for themselves, but don't try to exclude and oppress others while you're trying to do so. And don't keep moving the fucking goalpost on blackness to try to suit your narrative.

[stillpretty]

I had the most IGNORANT argument the other day with one of these FBA types. I was born in Miami to an African American father and an Afro-Guyanese Mom. He doesn't consider me Black American and flat out told me I had no business trying to claim to be. I rarely agree with Dangerously Deluded Barbie, but I think she is right. A lot of this FBA movement is rooted in the need for supremacy. Some black people want the same privileges that the whites have. The privilege to oppress others. I have no issue with Black Americans trying to an identity for themselves, but don't try to exclude and oppress others while you're trying to do so. And don't keep moving the fucking goalpost on blackness to try to suit your narrative.

i do think it's a bit much to exclude someone who's born in america and has an AA parent

But ultimately that's their personal definition and I'd say most FBAs wouldn't take it that far . So ur actually doing a bit much too by lashing out at FBAs cuz u seem to hang around unreasonable people.

I have been questioned and "othered" by fellow Black Americans . With comments that basically say "ur Black but I don't think you're totally Black."

Like "where is ur family REALLY from, boo? "

Or "yeah yeah I know if the cops stop u you're black and blah blah blah 🙄 BUT....."

Or "are they 'black' like you or BLACK?"

Or "iono.....WE don't grow hair like that."

I've heard a lot and I'd be lying if I said it didn't kinda sorta sting and even confuse me sometimes .

To the point where I literally went searching to see wtf is in my family history that so many people swear is there .

I don't consider myself "mixed" but I do acknowledge that i have a multi-ethnic background in my family that some people can see on the surface and question. Which makes sense and is OK.

They're not ignorant or evil for drawing a line or calling things how they see it . I love us enough to respect us having our own opinions and boundaries.

[stillpretty]

And honestly coming up in here to co-sign this Gordita and his foolery only lends credence to any ideas that FBAs have about drawing lines and side-eyeing and closely watching those who they don't deem to be FBA

Being truly Black American isn't just about you being born into it IMO. It's about loving black American-ness, defending it when when necessary, staying on code when necessary , dragging tf out of anyone who tries it when necessary , prioritizing the needs/best interests of the community over any others

And loving GODlanta.

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[❄️☃️🌨� Shuji Feels Different 🌨�☃️❄️]

What exactly is the point of the FBA movement besides trying to divide the different groups of black people who live in the US? What does it accomplish?

[Barbie Dangerous]

I rarely agree with Dangerously Deluded Barbie