Are we too quick to accept everyone into our circle?

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Herb.

March 27, 2016, 01:52:15 PM #15 Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 01:53:36 PM by Herbie
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I agree with keeping money circulating in black communities, creating opportunities for one another, etc.
I would also like it to be the NORM to see a black doctor vs. (white, asian, etc). We all have HEALTHCARE in common, and perception of the black race can be influenced in that particular area, worldwide.
Hey bvy. :wub: I see where you are coming from.

But I don't think perception is anywhere nearly as important as productivity within the community. I guarantee you that Koreans couldn't care less about what Black people think of them. Or what any other race thinks of them. they're too busy working, building and setting up SHOP in our communities so they can take our coins. Our perception is of little importance to them, but our coin is very much a factor in their day-to-day operations. So we should feel the same way. Fuck what people think of us.

I totally agree.
But in all honesty? I think some black people have their own perceptions of themselves and what they are truly capable of. Self-perception and potential is KEY to making change within yourself and then the community. No one will make a change until they believe they can.
I saw the comment you made about a Black person not feeling comfortable with a Black doctor and preferring a white one.  :plzstop:

Even though I personally don't feel that way....if a Black doctor has that license and degree they're just as good in my eyes as any other doctor. But I'll still address it...

This all goes back to us not being used to seeing one another in positions of power, and being so used to giving every other race our money and receiving services from every other race but ourselves. Which then cycles right on back to promoting Pride and more exclusivity within our own race.

I know you saw the comment, and would understand it, but TEXT can be horribly dry.
And YES I agree with your opinion on "positions" and being "used to". Which is why I believe in black communities promoting pride and creating opportunities for one another.
I think you had a point.

We're often looking at other races as better or more well equipped.

"I live in a white neighborhood.  :ohwow: "
"My lawyer is white.   :sup: "

And a Black person better not dare acknowledge heritage that is not Black. We automatically jump to the conclusion that they're trying to be better. Even if they've done the research and are sure they are claiming something that is actually a part of their family. "You ain't no better than anyone. You JUST Black. "

Just? :uhh:
Black has such a rich history and story, and has such power. Just?

BUt plz on't get me wrong, cuz there are some Black people who will reach out and claim anything just for the sake of disassociation of some sort, with no research, true interest or facts. We do have Blacks who will support the KKK. Or even worse, Trump :udontlookok: but mess. I'm veering off a bit now.

I don't want you to think that I didn't see the logic in your statement.

Rxxf

Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
I agree with keeping money circulating in black communities, creating opportunities for one another, etc.
I would also like it to be the NORM to see a black doctor vs. (white, asian, etc). We all have HEALTHCARE in common, and perception of the black race can be influenced in that particular area, worldwide.
Hey bvy. :wub: I see where you are coming from.

But I don't think perception is anywhere nearly as important as productivity within the community. I guarantee you that Koreans couldn't care less about what Black people think of them. Or what any other race thinks of them. they're too busy working, building and setting up SHOP in our communities so they can take our coins. Our perception is of little importance to them, but our coin is very much a factor in their day-to-day operations. So we should feel the same way. Fuck what people think of us.

I totally agree.
But in all honesty? I think some black people have their own perceptions of themselves and what they are truly capable of. Self-perception and potential is KEY to making change within yourself and then the community. No one will make a change until they believe they can.
I saw the comment you made about a Black person not feeling comfortable with a Black doctor and preferring a white one.  :plzstop:

Even though I personally don't feel that way....if a Black doctor has that license and degree they're just as good in my eyes as any other doctor. But I'll still address it...

This all goes back to us not being used to seeing one another in positions of power, and being so used to giving every other race our money and receiving services from every other race but ourselves. Which then cycles right on back to promoting Pride and more exclusivity within our own race.

I know you saw the comment, and would understand it, but TEXT can be horribly dry.
And YES I agree with your opinion on "positions" and being "used to". Which is why I believe in black communities promoting pride and creating opportunities for one another.
I think you had a point.

We're often looking at other races as better or more well equipped.

"I live in a white neighborhood.  :ohwow: "
"My lawyer is white.   :sup: "

And a Black person better not dare acknowledge heritage that is not Black. We automatically jump to the conclusion that they're trying to be better. Even if they've done the research and are sure they are claiming something that is actually a part of their family. "You ain't no better than anyone. You JUST Black. "

Just? :uhh:
Black has such a rich history and story, and has such power. Just?

BUt plz on't get me wrong, cuz there are some Black people who will reach out and claim anything just for the sake of disassociation of some sort, with no research, true interest or facts. We do have Blacks who will support the KKK. Or even worse, Trump :udontlookok: but mess. I'm veering off a bit now.

I don't want you to think that I didn't see the logic in your statement.

OMFG!! Thank you!! That "Just" black thing irks me.
As if that's not something to be excited about!!
Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from, and getting it, based off your examples.

And yes there are some who would support Trump, maybe. Like that beautiful woman in your avatar.
BRANDY

Rxxf

You slayed for this, AF:

Quote:
"You ain't no better than anyone. You JUST Black. "

Just? :uhh:
Black has such a rich history and story, and has such power. Just?
BRANDY

AIDS!

Lew kinda spoke in here
There's no loyalty
'My best friend is black!' 'Boyfriend is black!'

'I love black guys!'
Ok.. I'm I supposed to fall at your feet because you paid attention to my skin colour before me? :uhh:
They think it's a compliment when it's the opposite ggg

The culture and lifestyle is cool them, having a black boyfriend is edgy! and daring, they think it gives them a free pass into the 'cool club' :dead: but when the social issues come up, they stay mum on the issues or have a contradicting view
I get what you mean with other communities kinda closing ranks whilst building and strengthing their own

Herb.

Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
I agree with keeping money circulating in black communities, creating opportunities for one another, etc.
I would also like it to be the NORM to see a black doctor vs. (white, asian, etc). We all have HEALTHCARE in common, and perception of the black race can be influenced in that particular area, worldwide.
Hey bvy. :wub: I see where you are coming from.

But I don't think perception is anywhere nearly as important as productivity within the community. I guarantee you that Koreans couldn't care less about what Black people think of them. Or what any other race thinks of them. they're too busy working, building and setting up SHOP in our communities so they can take our coins. Our perception is of little importance to them, but our coin is very much a factor in their day-to-day operations. So we should feel the same way. Fuck what people think of us.

I totally agree.
But in all honesty? I think some black people have their own perceptions of themselves and what they are truly capable of. Self-perception and potential is KEY to making change within yourself and then the community. No one will make a change until they believe they can.
I saw the comment you made about a Black person not feeling comfortable with a Black doctor and preferring a white one.  :plzstop:

Even though I personally don't feel that way....if a Black doctor has that license and degree they're just as good in my eyes as any other doctor. But I'll still address it...

This all goes back to us not being used to seeing one another in positions of power, and being so used to giving every other race our money and receiving services from every other race but ourselves. Which then cycles right on back to promoting Pride and more exclusivity within our own race.

I know you saw the comment, and would understand it, but TEXT can be horribly dry.
And YES I agree with your opinion on "positions" and being "used to". Which is why I believe in black communities promoting pride and creating opportunities for one another.
I think you had a point.

We're often looking at other races as better or more well equipped.

"I live in a white neighborhood.  :ohwow: "
"My lawyer is white.   :sup: "

And a Black person better not dare acknowledge heritage that is not Black. We automatically jump to the conclusion that they're trying to be better. Even if they've done the research and are sure they are claiming something that is actually a part of their family. "You ain't no better than anyone. You JUST Black. "

Just? :uhh:
Black has such a rich history and story, and has such power. Just?

BUt plz on't get me wrong, cuz there are some Black people who will reach out and claim anything just for the sake of disassociation of some sort, with no research, true interest or facts. We do have Blacks who will support the KKK. Or even worse, Trump :udontlookok: but mess. I'm veering off a bit now.

I don't want you to think that I didn't see the logic in your statement.

OMFG!! Thank you!! That "Just" black thing irks me.
As if that's not something to be excited about!!
Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from, and getting it, based off your examples.

And yes there are some who would support Trump, maybe. Like that beautiful woman in your avatar.
sddsmsdmdmsmdsmdsmsdsmdsmmsmsdssd

I definitely get what you are saying now. When you mentioned the word perception, I immediately jumped to ASSuming that you were referring to outside perceptions of us from other races. But you really mean strengthening and changing our perceptions of one another. That's definitely very important.

Herb.

Quote from: GOLD on March 27, 2016, 02:08:56 PM
Lew kinda spoke in here
There's no loyalty
'My best friend is black!' 'Boyfriend is black!'
The culture and lifestyle is cool them, having a black boyfriend is edgy! and daring, they think it gives them a free pass into the 'cool club' :dead: but when the social issues come up, they stay mum on the issues or have a contradicting view
I get what you mean with other communities kinda closing ranks whilst building and strengthing their own
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They want to have the "fun" , but of course maintain the privilege. It's the best of both worlds! :cheerup:

AIDS!

They just don't understand lol
Where I work out of possible 250 staff I'm the only black male working there
Whenever a topic comes up 'urban' culture, they look to me as though I'm the spokesperson for blacks all over the world :dead: :uhh:

'Hey Jay!, have you heard Kanyes newest CD!?!'


'..Yh'
:udontlookok:

Rxxf

Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 02:16:58 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
Quote from: Rawlf on March 27, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
I agree with keeping money circulating in black communities, creating opportunities for one another, etc.
I would also like it to be the NORM to see a black doctor vs. (white, asian, etc). We all have HEALTHCARE in common, and perception of the black race can be influenced in that particular area, worldwide.
Hey bvy. :wub: I see where you are coming from.

But I don't think perception is anywhere nearly as important as productivity within the community. I guarantee you that Koreans couldn't care less about what Black people think of them. Or what any other race thinks of them. they're too busy working, building and setting up SHOP in our communities so they can take our coins. Our perception is of little importance to them, but our coin is very much a factor in their day-to-day operations. So we should feel the same way. Fuck what people think of us.

I totally agree.
But in all honesty? I think some black people have their own perceptions of themselves and what they are truly capable of. Self-perception and potential is KEY to making change within yourself and then the community. No one will make a change until they believe they can.
I saw the comment you made about a Black person not feeling comfortable with a Black doctor and preferring a white one.  :plzstop:

Even though I personally don't feel that way....if a Black doctor has that license and degree they're just as good in my eyes as any other doctor. But I'll still address it...

This all goes back to us not being used to seeing one another in positions of power, and being so used to giving every other race our money and receiving services from every other race but ourselves. Which then cycles right on back to promoting Pride and more exclusivity within our own race.

I know you saw the comment, and would understand it, but TEXT can be horribly dry.
And YES I agree with your opinion on "positions" and being "used to". Which is why I believe in black communities promoting pride and creating opportunities for one another.
I think you had a point.

We're often looking at other races as better or more well equipped.

"I live in a white neighborhood.  :ohwow: "
"My lawyer is white.   :sup: "

And a Black person better not dare acknowledge heritage that is not Black. We automatically jump to the conclusion that they're trying to be better. Even if they've done the research and are sure they are claiming something that is actually a part of their family. "You ain't no better than anyone. You JUST Black. "

Just? :uhh:
Black has such a rich history and story, and has such power. Just?

BUt plz on't get me wrong, cuz there are some Black people who will reach out and claim anything just for the sake of disassociation of some sort, with no research, true interest or facts. We do have Blacks who will support the KKK. Or even worse, Trump :udontlookok: but mess. I'm veering off a bit now.

I don't want you to think that I didn't see the logic in your statement.

OMFG!! Thank you!! That "Just" black thing irks me.
As if that's not something to be excited about!!
Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from, and getting it, based off your examples.

And yes there are some who would support Trump, maybe. Like that beautiful woman in your avatar.
sddsmsdmdmsmdsmdsmsdsmdsmmsmsdssd

I definitely get what you are saying now. When you mentioned the word perception, I immediately jumped to ASSuming that you were referring to outside perceptions of us from other races. But you really mean strengthening and changing our perceptions of one another. That's definitely very important.

Very important!! I've seen black successful individuals who are down to earth, extremely chill. But because they have a certain job, make a certain salary, live in a certain place, etc. people automatically think they are bougie or stuck-up. Why? Is it not NORMAL for a black person to achieve certain things? Or if a young black person is a doctor, "Oh! So rare! You're so special! Bet the odds!" Bitch please. Every one has the potential to do it, but it TAKES a fucking VILLAGE to make it happen. Band together, encourage, spread the knowledge/resources/wealth and fucking place that next brick before the following hand places the other.
BRANDY

Rxxf

Quote from: GOLD on March 27, 2016, 02:25:56 PM
They just don't understand lol
Where I work out of possible 250 staff I'm the only black male working there
Whenever a topic comes up 'urban' culture, they look to me as though I'm the spokesperson for blacks all over the world :dead: :uhh:

'Hey Jay!, have you heard Kanyes newest CD!?!'


'..Yh'
:udontlookok:

That is ridiculous!!
But what is also interesting to me, is that you're 1 out of 250.
Don't have to disclose your occupation. But this is my point. There should be more in that field that you're in.
BRANDY

Herb.

And they don't stop at Black people. Dressing up in Native clothing referring to themselves as Chiefs and mess. And think it's cute.

They want the glamour of it but don't get it. I would honestly never want to be a full blood Native American person. A lot of them live in horrible conditions on reservations, in poverty. They're so small in number when it comes to FULL Natives and are underrepresented. They are nearly extinct.

So it's not funny or cute to me when people just try to act like they are for the sake of being more exotic. It looks like a fucking joke and a mockery. And if you really had pride and respect for this supposed heritage and your ancestors you'd do better.

Rxxf

Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
And they don't stop at Black people. Dressing up in Native clothing referring to themselves as Chiefs and mess. And think it's cute.

They want the glamour of it but don't get it. I would honestly never want to be a full blood Native American person. A lot of them live in horrible conditions on reservations, in poverty. They're so small in number when it comes to FULL Natives and are underrepresented. They are nearly extinct.

So it's not funny or cute to me when people just try to act like they are for the sake of being more exotic. It looks like a fucking joke and a mockery. And if you really had pride and respect for this supposed heritage and your ancestors you'd do better.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRANDY

AIDS!

Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
And they don't stop at Black people. Dressing up in Native clothing referring to themselves as Chiefs and mess. And think it's cute.

They want the glamour of it but don't get it. I would honestly never want to be a full blood Native American person. A lot of them live in horrible conditions on reservations, in poverty. They're so small in number when it comes to FULL Natives and are underrepresented. They are nearly extinct.

So it's not funny or cute to me when people just try to act like they are for the sake of being more exotic. It looks like a fucking joke and a mockery. And if you really had pride and respect for this supposed heritage and your ancestors you'd do better.
And not only blacks and n.a's
Brown people in general :dead:
If it ain't white, it's alright to mess around
I'd rather see you in a Nazi, a slave master or a KKK costume rather than portray someone black, Latino or Native American

Herb.

March 27, 2016, 02:36:16 PM #27 Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 02:39:39 PM by Herbie
Quote from: GOLD on March 27, 2016, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
And they don't stop at Black people. Dressing up in Native clothing referring to themselves as Chiefs and mess. And think it's cute.

They want the glamour of it but don't get it. I would honestly never want to be a full blood Native American person. A lot of them live in horrible conditions on reservations, in poverty. They're so small in number when it comes to FULL Natives and are underrepresented. They are nearly extinct.

So it's not funny or cute to me when people just try to act like they are for the sake of being more exotic. It looks like a fucking joke and a mockery. And if you really had pride and respect for this supposed heritage and your ancestors you'd do better.
And not only blacks and n.a's
Brown people in general :dead:
If it ain't white, it's alright to mess around
I'd rather see you in a Nazi, a slave master or a KKK costume rather than portray someone black, Latino or Native American
:cheerup: :cheerup:

I would NEVER put some Native headdress on my head. That is not the culture I was raised in or identify with. Just as I wouldn't walk around in Kente cloth acting like I'm straight off a boat from West Africa. It's all about honoring your roots and realizing what created you, but having some fucking respect.

Grandma Chief would come in my dreams and kick my Black ass.  :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:

AIDS!

With their no culture, unseasoned food, non washing, dirty feet, thin lipped, pork eatin', weak haired, non melanin, age spot havin' selves haha

AIDS!

Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 02:36:16 PM
Quote from: GOLD on March 27, 2016, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: Herbie on March 27, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
And they don't stop at Black people. Dressing up in Native clothing referring to themselves as Chiefs and mess. And think it's cute.

They want the glamour of it but don't get it. I would honestly never want to be a full blood Native American person. A lot of them live in horrible conditions on reservations, in poverty. They're so small in number when it comes to FULL Natives and are underrepresented. They are nearly extinct.

So it's not funny or cute to me when people just try to act like they are for the sake of being more exotic. It looks like a fucking joke and a mockery. And if you really had pride and respect for this supposed heritage and your ancestors you'd do better.
And not only blacks and n.a's
Brown people in general :dead:
If it ain't white, it's alright to mess around
I'd rather see you in a Nazi, a slave master or a KKK costume rather than portray someone black, Latino or Native American
:cheerup: :cheerup:

I would NEVER put some Native headdress on my head. That is not the culture I was raised in or identify with. Just as I wouldn't walk around in Kente cloth acting like I'm straight off a boat from West Africa. It's all about honoring your roots and realizing what created you, but having some fucking respect.
!!!! If I see another white boy rocking some kent? for BHM this year in burning that shit