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gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave

that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down

who said they were just made to "recite prayers and scriptures"?
It's more than just relaying a few words back and forth
It's about WHATS in those specif prayers and scriptures, the intent behind it and what actions come from it.
Words are a powerful tool, it can be used to enlighten the mind, or to dumb it down, in this case it was used as the latter

ok but that's not my argument and that's why you edited
they wanted to dumb us down
but they didn't want us to be "Christian" that's my point
that goes against what Azealia is saying

Black ppl being Christian today is from education and experience
we're not just mindless sheep anymore and still the Black church is stable

ggg. Absolutely not.

sure genius
White ppl always wanted us to be devout Christians
even though they thought of us as sub-human

you're saying this as if being a Christian was some luxury fff. when the backbone of christian faith was that the white man was supreme and everyone else was to obey him, it shouldn't be that difficult to see why they wanted their slaves to be devout Christians. They also raped and procreated with slaves, but I guess there's no way that could've happened because why would massa find one of his slaves attractive?

none of that is the basis of Christian Faith
that's more like the basis of European culture and thinking

In the Holy Book of Christianity a Black man is the one who is son of God
and is able to perform miracles and rise from the dead
IDK what Christianity you are referring too
or what Black church in 2016 you know of that obeys white men

We're not talking about 2016 and only 2016
we're talking HISTORICALLY that was done to Black African slaves in America and around the world
and in the same holy book, senior members of churches USED the bible to justify slavery

I like to believe in 2016, Christians are more open minded, some of them are, some of them are not.

[yummy]

and I'm still not getting the "why would massa want us to be Christians if they hated us"

by that logic, massa would have never raped and impregnated female slaves because they saw them as less than human, but alas...

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gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave

that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down

who said they were just made to "recite prayers and scriptures"?
It's more than just relaying a few words back and forth
It's about WHATS in those specif prayers and scriptures, the intent behind it and what actions come from it.
Words are a powerful tool, it can be used to enlighten the mind, or to dumb it down, in this case it was used as the latter

ok but that's not my argument and that's why you edited
they wanted to dumb us down
but they didn't want us to be "Christian" that's my point
that goes against what Azealia is saying

Black ppl being Christian today is from education and experience
we're not just mindless sheep anymore and still the Black church is stable

ggg. Absolutely not.

sure genius
White ppl always wanted us to be devout Christians
even though they thought of us as sub-human

you're saying this as if being a Christian was some luxury fff. when the backbone of christian faith was that the white man was supreme and everyone else was to obey him, it shouldn't be that difficult to see why they wanted their slaves to be devout Christians. They also raped and procreated with slaves, but I guess there's no way that could've happened because why would massa find one of his slaves attractive?

none of that is the basis of Christian Faith
that's more like the basis of European culture and thinking

In the Holy Book of Christianity a Black man is the one who is son of God
and is able to perform miracles and rise from the dead
IDK what Christianity you are referring too
or what Black church in 2016 you know of that obeys white men

I was under the impression that the post I quoted was in reference to slaves...?

the post and the topic at hand is saying that Black ppl are Christian NOW because the slaves were forced into it
and it was passed down through tradition...

[FlowerBomb]

gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave

that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down

who said they were just made to "recite prayers and scriptures"?
It's more than just relaying a few words back and forth
It's about WHATS in those specif prayers and scriptures, the intent behind it and what actions come from it.
Words are a powerful tool, it can be used to enlighten the mind, or to dumb it down, in this case it was used as the latter

ok but that's not my argument and that's why you edited
they wanted to dumb us down
but they didn't want us to be "Christian" that's my point
that goes against what Azealia is saying

Black ppl being Christian today is from education and experience
we're not just mindless sheep anymore and still the Black church is stable

ggg. Absolutely not.

ffffff
especially that last part
We're still enslaved to it
Look at the state of mental health in black people around the world
we'd rather see a pastor then go to a doctor and seek medical help
we'd rather pray away the cancer than to seek medical professional help
mental disease is seen as a weakness and as "evil" in some cases
Like I said Religion can be used to further the mind, but too often it's used to dull it

but by that logic
that would mean White are enslaved to it too no?
Did they not force "their" religion on us? If so
why aren't they praying cancer away too? Why are they easy to go get mental help?

No because;

1; White people have always been above us in term social economic status and education status, an educated mind, they are more likely to be able to afford medical attention

2: Black people for the most part who are working class, use Christianity or religion as a coping
mechanism, a "give it up to god" approach if you will, which isn't a bad thing, but it LIMITS your mind

and who said white people don't neglect medical help in favour for the church?
it DOES happen, but more with blacks than whites, and we often see that in working class or poor communities

that is changing the topic from religion though
first you say Blacks are declining medical help because religion says its a sin, now you're saying it's because we can't afford it, which is 2 different things

No its not.
It's not changing the topic, can't you add other things which relate to the topic to expand the discussion?
I gave you two reasons, we're talking about a complex issue here, there isn't going to be ONE simple answer
It all relates to one another.

The common theme here is power.
Who had it? the white
Who didn't have it? blacks
Who's culture and way of live was destroyed in favor for the other? the blacks

[yummy]

gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave

that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down

who said they were just made to "recite prayers and scriptures"?
It's more than just relaying a few words back and forth
It's about WHATS in those specif prayers and scriptures, the intent behind it and what actions come from it.
Words are a powerful tool, it can be used to enlighten the mind, or to dumb it down, in this case it was used as the latter

ok but that's not my argument and that's why you edited
they wanted to dumb us down
but they didn't want us to be "Christian" that's my point
that goes against what Azealia is saying

Black ppl being Christian today is from education and experience
we're not just mindless sheep anymore and still the Black church is stable

ggg. Absolutely not.

sure genius
White ppl always wanted us to be devout Christians
even though they thought of us as sub-human

you're saying this as if being a Christian was some luxury fff. when the backbone of christian faith was that the white man was supreme and everyone else was to obey him, it shouldn't be that difficult to see why they wanted their slaves to be devout Christians. They also raped and procreated with slaves, but I guess there's no way that could've happened because why would massa find one of his slaves attractive?

none of that is the basis of Christian Faith
that's more like the basis of European culture and thinking

In the Holy Book of Christianity a Black man is the one who is son of God
and is able to perform miracles and rise from the dead
IDK what Christianity you are referring too
or what Black church in 2016 you know of that obeys white men

I was under the impression that the post I quoted was in reference to slaves...?

the post and the topic at hand is saying that Black ppl are Christian NOW http://because the slaves were forced into it
and it was passed down through tradition...

and we were discussing the history behind that, no? what most black christians believe doesn't change what took place centuries ago.

[FlowerBomb]

and I'm still not getting the "why would massa want us to be Christians if they hated us"

by that logic, massa would have never raped and impregnated female slaves because they saw them as less than human, but alas...

why WOULD'NT they want us to be christians
They couldn't read or write, the perfect plan like 

[RAY7]

gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave

that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down

who said they were just made to "recite prayers and scriptures"?
It's more than just relaying a few words back and forth
It's about WHATS in those specif prayers and scriptures, the intent behind it and what actions come from it.
Words are a powerful tool, it can be used to enlighten the mind, or to dumb it down, in this case it was used as the latter

ok but that's not my argument and that's why you edited
they wanted to dumb us down
but they didn't want us to be "Christian" that's my point
that goes against what Azealia is saying

Black ppl being Christian today is from education and experience
we're not just mindless sheep anymore and still the Black church is stable

ggg. Absolutely not.

sure genius
White ppl always wanted us to be devout Christians
even though they thought of us as sub-human

you're saying this as if being a Christian was some luxury fff. when the backbone of christian faith was that the white man was supreme and everyone else was to obey him, it shouldn't be that difficult to see why they wanted their slaves to be devout Christians. They also raped and procreated with slaves, but I guess there's no way that could've happened because why would massa find one of his slaves attractive?

none of that is the basis of Christian Faith
that's more like the basis of European culture and thinking

In the Holy Book of Christianity a Black man is the one who is son of God
and is able to perform miracles and rise from the dead
IDK what Christianity you are referring too
or what Black church in 2016 you know of that obeys white men

We're not talking about 2016 and only 2016
we're talking HISTORICALLY that was done to Black African slaves in America and around the world
and in the same holy book, senior members of churches USED the bible to justify slavery

I like to believe in 2016, Christians are more open minded, some of them are, some of them are not.

thats not what Azealia said though
so do you agree or not? There's a lot of things ppl do and have done USING the Bible or whatever they wanted to get over on others
ppl can twist words and omit others all day
but the fault is in the ppl not the religion itself

My stance is the Azealia is wrong
I am not Christian because of whitey

[FlowerBomb]

If slavery never happened, you wouldn't be a christian.

[RAY7]

gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave

that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down

who said they were just made to "recite prayers and scriptures"?
It's more than just relaying a few words back and forth
It's about WHATS in those specif prayers and scriptures, the intent behind it and what actions come from it.
Words are a powerful tool, it can be used to enlighten the mind, or to dumb it down, in this case it was used as the latter

ok but that's not my argument and that's why you edited
they wanted to dumb us down
but they didn't want us to be "Christian" that's my point
that goes against what Azealia is saying

Black ppl being Christian today is from education and experience
we're not just mindless sheep anymore and still the Black church is stable

ggg. Absolutely not.

ffffff
especially that last part
We're still enslaved to it
Look at the state of mental health in black people around the world
we'd rather see a pastor then go to a doctor and seek medical help
we'd rather pray away the cancer than to seek medical professional help
mental disease is seen as a weakness and as "evil" in some cases
Like I said Religion can be used to further the mind, but too often it's used to dull it

but by that logic
that would mean White are enslaved to it too no?
Did they not force "their" religion on us? If so
why aren't they praying cancer away too? Why are they easy to go get mental help?

No because;

1; White people have always been above us in term social economic status and education status, an educated mind, they are more likely to be able to afford medical attention

2: Black people for the most part who are working class, use Christianity or religion as a coping
mechanism, a "give it up to god" approach if you will, which isn't a bad thing, but it LIMITS your mind

and who said white people don't neglect medical help in favour for the church?
it DOES happen, but more with blacks than whites, and we often see that in working class or poor communities

that is changing the topic from religion though
first you say Blacks are declining medical help because religion says its a sin, now you're saying it's because we can't afford it, which is 2 different things

No its not.
It's not changing the topic, can't you add other things which relate to the topic to expand the discussion?
I gave you two reasons, we're talking about a complex issue here, there isn't going to be ONE simple answer
It all relates to one another.

The common theme here is power.
Who had it? the white
Who didn't have it? blacks
Who's culture and way of live was destroyed in favor for the other? the blacks

Azealia gave 1 simple answer though so you are changing the topic but ok

[FlowerBomb]

This gor doesn't believe slaveowners made their slaves worship their God, but believes that there are billions of ghosts wandering around waiting to be lined up and one by one let into some pearly gates or flung back trough the earths core to hell.


girls, what were we saying about logic. Shit, about REALITY fff

[FlowerBomb]

I never changed the answer, we only expanded it

[RAY7]

and I'm still not getting the "why would massa want us to be Christians if they hated us"

by that logic, massa would have never raped and impregnated female slaves because they saw them as less than human, but alas...

sex is way off as a comparison
and for that matter Slave owners were going against their own religion by fornicating with slaves

[Zankou.]

Says the hell bound atheist free spirit

[FlowerBomb]

and I'm still not getting the "why would massa want us to be Christians if they hated us"

by that logic, massa would have never raped and impregnated female slaves because they saw them as less than human, but alas...

sex is way off as a comparison
and for that matter Slave owners were going against their own religion by fornicating with slaves

umm no its not
rape is a a form a asserting power, control and dominance, just like indoctrinating a race to believe their saviour is a white man with blue eyes born in the middle of the desert to a virgin woman called Mary J
the fact that BOTH was done as a form of power against slaves is what Yumz was getting at here hun'

[BranLover]

This is why I don't discuss religion too much

!!!!!! And I agree with your stance. I consider myself Christian, but I'm beginning to question certain things. Not in a bad way, just out of curiosity and being open-minded.