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[Sovereign.]

Dawn?s challenge is finding balance when it comes execution. She has these great and creative ideas when it comes to actual sound and she?s skillful when it comes to metaphor and imagery, but it?s a matter of marrying the two. Let us be seduced by both. Maybe hold off on the vocoder and being peculiar about composition is all. She?s brilliant though.

[KingDavid]

Dawn does it for me everytime! She low key was the nucleus of Danity Kane and her appeal is what attracted me to love them how I do. It?s sad that she has to get boxed in with R&B to be recognized. Why can?t she be our Fiona Apple, Alanis Morrisette,  or Bjork. I hate how they try to box our artists in all the time and even R&B singers are boxed into Adult Alternative on radio ??? We need to do better!!

[Vonc2002]

She low key was the nucleus of Danity Kane

When was this low-key?

[Sovereign.]

Post Malone SHOULD always honor his influences because it would be dangerous and problematic not to do so. White folks inherently occupy spaces so when it comes to black art being the source of your influence you NAME that shit.

[MelMel]

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[Sovereign.]

The same can be said for any other white artists that appropriates sounds birthed by black folks.

[Sovereign.]

It becomes appropriation when one doesn?t acknowledge. We don?t need a think peice on why you create the music you create, but there should be thorough understanding of context and history when creating music and when asked about the music you make. It?s Music Theory 101. Freely give the lists of artists you?re influenced by if you will...why not firstly? But what?s vital is musical knowledge and combating racism that ever exist in the American music market.

[KingDavid]

She low key was the nucleus of Danity Kane

When was this low-key?

I feel like most people will say D Woods and while yes she has a nice voice and tone, I always preferred Dawn.

[KingDavid]

Dawn does it for me everytime! She low key was the nucleus of Danity Kane and her appeal is what attracted me to love them how I do. It?s sad that she has to get boxed in with R&B to be recognized. Why can?t she be our Fiona Apple, Alanis Morrisette,  or Bjork. I hate how they try to box our artists in all the time and even R&B singers are boxed into Adult Alternative on radio ??? We need to do better!!

Unfortunately that's the way America works. It happens on the other side as well.

When a White rapper raps, they're not just known as a "rapper", they must known be a "White rapper". Or not just "Soul" but "Blue Eyed Soul".

They're rarely allowed to completely step outside of the "White" box of country/rock/pop without getting a side eye.

Post Malone is amazing to me artistically and he's still constantly explaining himself and his influences, etc.

It's just that White privilege allows these people to more successfully infiltrate other genres. Black people/POC just don't have that reach.

And America is just way too focused on race and having some sort of NEED to put people into a box that makes them comfortable for that to be changing anytime soon.

You are correct Afro. I just told one of my white co workers the other day about Teena Marie and how I hate the term blue eyed soul and she had never heard of it ever. I love Post Malone?s latest album and will try to listen to the first this weekend because the whole second album is fire! I hate artists can?t just be artists they have to constantly explain themselves instead of letting the art speak for itself

[Sovereign.]

It becomes appropriation when one doesn?t acknowledge. We don?t need a think peice on why you create the music you create, but there should be thorough understanding of context and history when creating music and when asked about the music you make. It?s Music Theory 101. Freely give the lists of artists you?re influenced by if you will...why not firstly? But what?s vital is musical knowledge and combating racism that ever exist in the American music market.

I get what you mean. It's just that I don't think every artist, regardless of color, is walking into the industry thinking of combatting racism and aware of expectations based on their color. Entertainers aren't typically the most informed people. I mean we had Chilli sitting around saying "All Lives Matter", completely unaware of the racist undertones that are typically present when that phrase is used.

Some musicians just wanna...do music. And know very little (if anything) outside of that.

K. Michelle was about to step into Country music. I'm looking at her like gor....those racist rednecks would have your red weave on a platter. You sure you wanna do this? But she's just being an artist. NOT thinking of the deeper issues of race behind it all.

You can't expect everyone to be a deep thinker. It's just not a reality for many entertainers.

I'm sure Bruno didn't see this coming:

Artists do have an obligation to be knowledgeable and aware of the racial and gender biases that are ever present in their profession (this goes for every profession). Black artists have always been vocal and on the frontline when it came to hegemony and being allowed to perform at certain venues and turned away from others. Look at Josephine Baker, The Temptations, Billie Holiday, Fats Waller, Nina Simone etc. they were highly vocal and attuned to the racism practiced toward them. Artists never had the privilege of creating in vain (not black artists). It?s always been with the intention to say that we?re here. We?ve always been here. And it?s time we be honored and properly and consistently compensated for our contribution to art culture.

[Heated🔥]

Queen performs downeeeeee every-time no matter what.

[Sovereign.]

And that?s what so scary is often times artists are entering an industry not fully prepared and some are learning as they go, but the point I?m making is not every song needs to socially charged in order to be progressive. In fact, history has shown that often the most radical art has come from places of celebration of communion hence Blues, Gospel, House, etc. The industry is complex so no one can enter knowing everything, but there should be wise counsel before signing contracts.

[Sovereign.]

And that?s what so scary is often times artists are entering an industry not fully prepared and some are learning as they go, but the point I?m making is not every song needs to socially charged in order to be progressive. In fact, history has shown that often the most radical art has come from places of celebration of communion hence Blues, Gospel, House, etc. The industry is complex so no one can enter knowing everything, but there should be wise counsel before signing contracts.

That would be nice.

It's just not reality right now. But I get your concern

Well...attorneys are still a thing. Mentorship is still a thing. Asking for help from people you trust (and you KNOW who you can trust) is still a thing. 

[KingDavid]

You both make good points tbh

[BAPHOMET.]

Dawn is pretty hideous