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[pCj]

do any of you agree a hetero man is transphobic if he is not open to the idea of dating a transwoman?

If you ask a cis, straight male why they have a blanket refusal to date a trans woman and they're honest about it, chances are their reason is rooted in transphobia.

do you agree that a hetero man is transphobic for not considering trans women as romantic interests?

that seems to be the message being pushed by a lot of people

I think it's pretty ambitious to say or imply that all hetero men have deep rooted hatred for trans women

I think you get more mileage in identifying phobic beliefs rather than flat out labeling the person. No one wants to be labeled as racist or homo/transphobic these days, despite a high amount of people having views rooted in racism or homo/transphobia. The conversation shuts down immediately and they're on the defensive.

And I never used the word hatred, they literally have a phobia. Toxic masculinity and societal pressure can be a bitch.

[Lane Bryant Jumpsuit]

i dont see how adding super means no trans
biostr8 would be more like it 

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

do any of you agree a hetero man is transphobic if he is not open to the idea of dating a transwoman?

If you ask a cis, straight male why they have a blanket refusal to date a trans woman and they're honest about it, chances are their reason is rooted in transphobia.

do you agree that a hetero man is transphobic for not considering trans women as romantic interests?

that seems to be the message being pushed by a lot of people

I think it's pretty ambitious to say or imply that all hetero men have deep rooted hatred for trans women

I think you get more mileage in identifying phobic beliefs rather than flat out labeling the person. No one wants to be labeled as racist or homo/transphobic these days, despite a high amount of people having views rooted in racism or homo/transphobia. The conversation shuts down immediately and they're on the defensive.

And I never used the word hatred, they literally have a phobia. Toxic masculinity and societal pressure can be a bitch.

let's just go with the literal definition of phobia, although we know by now that many use the  "phobics" to describe what they feel is hatred

But I'll play along. Let's go with the literal definition

So a man saying that he has no interest in having sex with another person who may have a penis is an extreme and irrational fear of trans people?

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

Is it not possible for him to be cool and friendly with trans people , but just not be romantically and sexually interested in them?

50 Cent comfortably poses with what is clearly a trans woman for a pic , but if she asks to suck his dick afterwards and he refuses, he is now trans phobic? He now has an irrational and extreme fear of trans people because he didn't agree to sex afterwards?

Help me understand this.

[pCj]

But let's flip it

if you call up a gay person  (or trans woman) and ask them "would u have sex with a trans man?"

a lot of responses would be "Chile some of them be lookin good but I need real dick in my bed  at the end of the day lol!!"

is this truly a transphobic response or a persons way of expressing their  preference,  in a way which simply may not be politically correct?

And would you have sex with or build a relationship with a trans man yourself? As in, a man who was born a woman and still has their vagina down below?

If not, you're transphobic by twitter definition. You are hateful , you are intolerant .

ffff I mean, have your genital preferences but the response is still pretty transphobic with a smidge of gatekeeping on the side. You're refusing to consider dating all x because you believe all x have y, when that might not be the case. It's the blanket statement that's the issue.

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

But let's flip it

if you call up a gay person  (or trans woman) and ask them "would u have sex with a trans man?"

a lot of responses would be "Chile some of them be lookin good but I need real dick in my bed  at the end of the day lol!!"

is this truly a transphobic response or a persons way of expressing their  preference,  in a way which simply may not be politically correct?

And would you have sex with or build a relationship with a trans man yourself? As in, a man who was born a woman and still has their vagina down below?

If not, you're transphobic by twitter definition. You are hateful , you are intolerant .

ffff I mean, have your genital preferences but the response is still pretty transphobic with a smidge of gatekeeping on the side. You're refusing to consider dating all x because you believe all x have y, when that might not be the case. It's the blanket statement that's the issue.

if you're saying someone is "literally" transphobic for not wanting to have sex with trans people , I don't think that's correct

Because I can make that statement myself and hug up on a trans man with no problem 5 minutes later . There's no extreme or irrational fear of them.

I'm just not going down to eat his cooch .  I don't think saying that is transphobic . It may be insensitive or politically incorrect depending on who you're speaking with. As in, I wouldn't say this directly to a trans male person. Doing so , especially in a playful manner, could be seen as disrespectful. But I'll say it to another cis gay person in private convo

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

I think that it may be more reasonable to specifically say that some people could have a fear of HAVING SEX with trans people as opposed to saying they're just extremely and irrationally afraid of them altogether. Those are two totally different things. And I thInk that even saying they're fearful of sex isn't completely accurate but it'd be slightly more sensible. And less of a needless, low key assassination on someone's CHARACTER.

If I ever met Toni in person she'd probably have to summon her  security cuz I'd be all over her . But if goddess  asked me to eat her cooch backstage and I decline it doesn't mean I'm scared of her or scared of women. I fucking love women. I just can't see myself fucking them. Or dating them, or building relationships with them. Ghbhbbbbbb

like...wats so hard about this?

[pCj]

But let's flip it

if you call up a gay person  (or trans woman) and ask them "would u have sex with a trans man?"

a lot of responses would be "Chile some of them be lookin good but I need real dick in my bed  at the end of the day lol!!"

is this truly a transphobic response or a persons way of expressing their  preference,  in a way which simply may not be politically correct?

And would you have sex with or build a relationship with a trans man yourself? As in, a man who was born a woman and still has their vagina down below?

If not, you're transphobic by twitter definition. You are hateful , you are intolerant .

ffff I mean, have your genital preferences but the response is still pretty transphobic with a smidge of gatekeeping on the side. You're refusing to consider dating all x because you believe all x have y, when that might not be the case. It's the blanket statement that's the issue.

if you're saying someone is "literally" transphobic for not wanting to have sex with trans people , I don't think that's correct

Because I can make that statement myself and hug up on a trans man with no problem 5 minutes later . There's no extreme or irrational fear of them.

I'm just not going down to eat his cooch .  I don't think saying that is transphobic . It may be insensitive or politically incorrect depending on who you're speaking with. As in, I wouldn't say this directly to a trans male person. Doing so , especially in a playful manner, could be seen as disrespectful. But I'll say it to another cis gay person in private convo

That isn't what I'm saying and now we're getting into semantics/whataboutisms. I understand the definition of transphobia has evolved, but in your specific example about cis, straight men not wanting to be with any trans women (even if they have the desired genetalia), the fear can stem from fear of association which is why I said toxic masculinity can be a bitch.

Gender and sexuality are becoming more nuanced, so while I am hesitant to label someone as transphobic for making a blanket statement that could be in rooted in transphobia, I don't think it should be dismissed either without looking into the "why".

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

But let's flip it

if you call up a gay person  (or trans woman) and ask them "would u have sex with a trans man?"

a lot of responses would be "Chile some of them be lookin good but I need real dick in my bed  at the end of the day lol!!"

is this truly a transphobic response or a persons way of expressing their  preference,  in a way which simply may not be politically correct?

And would you have sex with or build a relationship with a trans man yourself? As in, a man who was born a woman and still has their vagina down below?

If not, you're transphobic by twitter definition. You are hateful , you are intolerant .

ffff I mean, have your genital preferences but the response is still pretty transphobic with a smidge of gatekeeping on the side. You're refusing to consider dating all x because you believe all x have y, when that might not be the case. It's the blanket statement that's the issue.

if you're saying someone is "literally" transphobic for not wanting to have sex with trans people , I don't think that's correct

Because I can make that statement myself and hug up on a trans man with no problem 5 minutes later . There's no extreme or irrational fear of them.

I'm just not going down to eat his cooch .  I don't think saying that is transphobic . It may be insensitive or politically incorrect depending on who you're speaking with. As in, I wouldn't say this directly to a trans male person. Doing so , especially in a playful manner, could be seen as disrespectful. But I'll say it to another cis gay person in private convo

That isn't what I'm saying and now we're getting into semantics/whataboutisms. I understand the definition of transphobia has evolved, but in your specific example about cis, straight men not wanting to be with any trans women (even if they have the desired genetalia), the fear can stem from fear of association which is why I said toxic masculinity can be a bitch.

Gender and sexuality are becoming more nuanced, so while I am hesitant to label someone as transphobic for making a blanket statement that could be in rooted in transphobia, I don't think it should be dismissed either without looking into the "why".

well I know we are getting into semantics now but you're the one who introduced "they are LITERALLY transphobic" into our mess.

Nfnfnfnfnf I was simply meeting u where u seemed to be at with this.

And of course some people definitely base their sexual preferences and/or chosen social interactions in what could be a need to disassociate themselves in some way ..... Even if they are actually attracted to it . (see pic above of young buck who was seen distancing himself from the trans woman and was later exposed for fuckin them behind closed doors)

That's not what I am disagreeing with

I'm saying just because a hetero man has zero interest in sleeping with another person who will pull out a penis in bed .. it does not automatically mean he is transphobic . Of COURSE it's case by case but I am specifically addressing those who make these outrageous blanket statements . As in, "If you're a hetero man and u don't wanna fuck a trans woman, you're transphobic. Period! Lolz no need to say anything else . Don't care about ur reasoning  "

I am actually addressing people who don't give two shits about the "why".

Does that make sense ?

[Lane Bryant Jumpsuit]

I think that it may be more reasonable to specifically say that some people could have a fear of HAVING SEX with trans people as opposed to saying they're just extremely and irrationally afraid of them altogether. Those are two totally different things. And I thInk that even saying they're fearful of sex isn't completely accurate but it'd be slightly more sensible. And less of a needless, low key assassination on someone's CHARACTER.

If I ever met Toni in person she'd probably have to summon her  security cuz I'd be all over her . But if goddess  asked me to eat her cooch backstage and I decline it doesn't mean I'm scared of her or scared of women. I fucking love women. I just can't see myself fucking them. Or dating them, or building relationships with them. Ghbhbbbbbb

like...wats so hard about this?

well i  like women too but i dont want them as friends or in my circle at alll lol

but its better to say i want penis or i want vagina if were speaking sexually
thats only if its really about wanting the bio ness
but even if you present a stud with a vagina lets say for a gay man lol well dunno bout that response

but its not transphobic to say  you want natural; born man or woman
were not going to just ignore someone having a dick even if you do acknowledge how they identify

[pCj]

Nfnfnfnfnf I was simply meeting u where u seemed to be at with this

Meet me the fuck outside, how 'bout that?

[pCj]

ffffff and yeah, it sounds like we're having two different conversations here.

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

Nfnfnfnfnf I was simply meeting u where u seemed to be at with this

Meet me the fuck outside, how 'bout that?

nothing but space n opportunity

[The Only BLACK Kalmyks]

ffffff and yeah, it sounds like we're having two different conversations here.

like..

there are people out there who literally conclude "you're transphobic" just because a hetero man won't have sex with a trans woman

with no care of whether it's an actual preference, underlying hatred, a need to disassociate himself...
it's like....me no care. u don't want trans sex, you are afraid of them. you are hateful. you have a phobia you need to work on. period.

i'm just saying, can we at least take time to actually think about the "why" before pulling out a gun and going to work on someone's character?

that's why i feel a lot of people go HARD once they're accused of it . you are ultimately taking digs at their CHARACTER when u pull the "phobics" out of your pocket in 2021.

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