Very interesting interview by a record executive.
TGJ posted an extract:
Tgj:
"You could cut the exact same songs with a black female singer that I cut with Ariana, and they would be nowhere as big."
The comment above was made by Republic Records Executive Wendy Goldstein as she awaits the release of 'Beauty Behind the Madness' by her artist The Weeknd.
However, despite enjoying success with the entertainer of Pop and Rhythmic platforms, the industry power player has revealed that she's anything but happy with the state of R&B music in today's world.
Why?
Her conversation with 'Billboard' below...
When asked to weigh in on contemporary R&B's struggle to match Hip Hop on a critical and commercial front she shared:
Quote"I don't think the artists are being as ?innovative as they should be. Even on the hip-hop side, the records have been dumbed down so that very few really smart records get through, like a J. Cole, Kendrick or a Big Sean. But on the singing side, it has been worse. No one has been able to pull up with a defining record that's a game-changer. That's what R&B needs right now. Guys that we were ?hoping were going to be that have been very slow to get out of the box again, like Frank Ocean and Miguel. And it's partially radio's fault. They're not so open to ?playing ?[adventurous] things until they're big somewhere else.
Urban has a fundamental problem trying to find its place, and it absolutely is the fault of the system: You could cut the exact same songs with a black female singer that I cut with Ariana, and they would be nowhere as big. But I also feel that we have to get a little more adventurous in urban. When you think about groups like The Fugees and Outkast — where are those groups today? Where's that person who has that voice like Lauryn Hill who can be as f–ing grimy and "hood" as possible, but then come out with a song like "Killing Me Softly" that was No. 1 around the world? The only true R&B that's out there right now, I hate to say it, are legacy things. But kids know no ?genre-specific boundaries, so you're ?getting more hybrid acts like The Weeknd or Janelle Monae, which wouldn't ?necessarily sit at just R&B [radio]. At some point, you're going to see the hybrid things break out."
tgj:
We concur.
Unfortunately, the same can be said for the majority of today's Pop contenders who are just as (forgive us for this) basic but have been able to hide behind hits designed for radio.
Meanwhile, innovative and groundbreaking acts such as Jazmine Sullivan, Kwabs, Lianne La Havas and Dawn Richard are ignored by labels who seem to think audiences are uninterested in soulful and layered artists when those soulful and layered artists are black
Read more: http://thatgrapejuice.net/2015/08/record-executive-weighs-the-state-the-artists-arent-innovative-they-should/#ixzz3jZ3pwm3o
Alot needs to change in r & b
I 100% agreed with her. the industry is horrible, the labels, radio and all of that..... but...... thats not where all the fault is.
umm, fuck that. radio needs to start playing these black female singers' singles. thats the real issue. :ohwow:
Sad but true.
the point she's making is not just that. The issue here is: are the singles/music as solid/strong enough?
Quote from: throwintheTAL on August 22, 2015, 02:02:16 PM
umm, fuck that. radio needs to start playing these black female singers' singles. thats the real issue. :ohwow:
why are they always piling on the R&B artists? most of these pop tarts are doing nothing but rehashing past trends and mimicking lesser known artists.
what do ppl want from R&B? I dont get it. its just MUSIC theres only so many notes to sing, chords to put together
and melodies. Then even when someone comes up with something different, no one buys it anyway. At least R&B artists are talented for the most part FAILyor Swift is not innovative, and her voice is horrid but she outsells the whole industry
this is bull
Quote from: ANIMMAI on August 22, 2015, 02:56:51 PM
why are they always piling on the R&B artists? most of these pop tarts are doing nothing but rehashing past trends and mimicking lesser known artists.
!!!!
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Its a bit ironic how now of a sudden current r&b music its fine for some... but then most of the time I see users on here shading a single from this artist, that other song from that male, the single from this, the single from that.... what kind of irony is that? lol
the point is, no one bashes Pop artists for doing the same recycled BS. People expect too much from some of these R&B artists. There's still greatness out there ... just little support.
R&B fucking sucks.
Ill blame radio first because artist will not create innovative songs if thet know radio wont play. Most urban artist are fighting to get on the radio so the music is geared towards that.
A lot of R&B music is redundant and boring, but the same can be said for the Pop mess.
The difference is, mainstream radio & media support White acts.
Black gorls doesn't get that same treatment unless it's Rih, Bey, or Nicki.
If Jazmine had made "All About That Bass" it would have never blown up the way it did.
thats true. Its obvious that the industry isnt fair, and pop acts get HEAVY support. none can deny that.
thats why r&b acts should fight harder and harder, a "decent single" is not enough. Thats basically the point of that executive. And I agree. Music isnt strong enough.
rnb/urban singers are boring as hell .....where are the drums, the KNOCK, the uptempo songs, the catchy melodies...
people are always working with the same stale ass producers....
Tired of people bashing R&B tbh.
I'm sick of the heavy scrutiny but let these pop folks do the same recycled mess or do the same type of song and it's so EDGY and innovative, let's play this on the radio 100 rotations in.
When black female artists release music, they get soooooooo much backlash! Why is this? I mean, is it these fanbases? You think they don't want the next chick to succeed? I think that's part of it. Also, radio needs to play their music. Like geez, what would it hurt? I mean, let people hear the music so they can see if they like it or not. Sometimes you have to listen more then once to like a song.
I agree as well. I used to want to sing when I was younger, but when "singers" like Rihanna came out and started to dominate and the people who can sing were being overlooked, I changed my mind. I couldn't imagine having to compete twice as hard to be noticed while someone who has little to no talent gets more attention than me while struggling to hit a high note then having to dumb my voice and music down just to get pop play. On top of that, the music industry is a dying industry at least for the artist/singer. Most of these folks are basically singing for exposure not a paycheck. I want a paycheck.
Quote from: MoToThE on August 24, 2015, 07:21:30 AM
When black female artists release music, they get soooooooo much backlash! Why is this? I mean, is it these fanbases? You think they don't want the next chick to succeed? I think that's part of it. Also, radio needs to play their music. Like geez, what would it hurt? I mean, let people hear the music so they can see if they like it or not. Sometimes you have to listen more then once to like a song.
In this day in age, everything is at our finger tips. People know the music is out there. BUT the people the music is made for will not buy it. Every time someone black releases an album...even if it sucks... people will have 99 excuses for why they won't buy it but will have the illegally downloaded album on their ipods and iphones. Why would anybody invest in black music/R&B when black people wont even buy it? The internet destroyed the music industry. when it became accessible to many and people where able to download a song for free, that was it. You know our people (and other folks) love to get a deal, so why would I go buy Beyonce for $15 when I can get it for free or listen to it endlessly on Spotify? White people illegally download as well, but because they are the majority, they are the biggest consumers of music, so of course people like Adele will sell with their support a little of ours and others. But if it was up to black people, Adele would be a flop. Shit if black people could watch Scandal on the internet before it's on TV, Scandal would be a flop int he ratings.
Some black girl could release some shit like Have You Ever and the shit will tank because black people will illegally download it because they're too cheap to spend $15. Beyonce is one of the biggest artists in the world. Black people love her, but I bet you black people make up for a very small number of her sales. Which brings me to another point, if Beyonce is the shit...why isn't she selling Taylor Swift numbers? Why hasn't she sold at least 7 million in the US alone with one album?!
Quote from: Bulldagger on August 24, 2015, 08:35:50 AM
Quote from: MoToThE on August 24, 2015, 07:21:30 AM
When black female artists release music, they get soooooooo much backlash! Why is this? I mean, is it these fanbases? You think they don't want the next chick to succeed? I think that's part of it. Also, radio needs to play their music. Like geez, what would it hurt? I mean, let people hear the music so they can see if they like it or not. Sometimes you have to listen more then once to like a song.
In this day in age, everything is at our finger tips. People know the music is out there. BUT the people the music is made for will not buy it. Every time someone black releases an album...even if it sucks... people will have 99 excuses for why they won't buy it but will have the illegally downloaded album on their ipods and iphones. Why would anybody invest in black music/R&B when black people wont even buy it? The internet destroyed the music industry. when it became accessible to many and people where able to download a song for free, that was it. You know our people (and other folks) love to get a deal, so why would I go buy Beyonce for $15 when I can get it for free or listen to it endlessly on Spotify? White people illegally download as well, but because they are the majority, they are the biggest consumers of music, so of course people like Adele will sell with their support a little of ours and others. But if it was up to black people, Adele would be a flop. Shit if black people could watch Scandal on the internet before it's on TV, Scandal would be a flop int he ratings.
Some black girl could release some shit like Have You Ever and the shit will tank because black people will illegally download it because they're too cheap to spend $15. Beyonce is one of the biggest artists in the world. Black people love her, but I bet you black people make up for a very small number of her sales. Which brings me to another point, if Beyonce is the shit...why isn't she selling Taylor Swift numbers? Why hasn't she sold at least 7 million in the US alone with one album?!
I agree with what you said. Where you from?
Quote from: King on August 23, 2015, 08:37:46 PM
rnb/urban singers are boring as hell .....where are the drums, the KNOCK, the uptempo songs, the catchy melodies...
people are always working with the same stale ass producers....
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And they all seem to use the same Fruity Loops snares and kicks.
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
She sounds dumb because you have artists like Dawn that's being creative and innovative but they ain't fucking with her unless she goes to the gutta so what's her point?
and y'all need to stop blaming Blacks for your faves flopping. These bitches are lazy that's the reality of the situation.
Beyonce is a flop by her own standards. When people look back at her career, they gon' be like, "That's all she sold?!" Beyonce is an icon, but her stats are not legendary.
@MoToThE The lou, baby!
This SS member is so fucking annoying bruh!!
what was its original name?
lol let ha live. she mad ha R&B don't come on no mo'.
Quote from: Bulldagger on August 24, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
Beyonce is a flop by her own standards. When people look back at her career, they gon' be like, "That's all she sold?!" Beyonce is an icon, but her stats are not legendary.
@MoToThE The lou, baby!
Faggot shut up.
Quote from: Glock on August 24, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
This SS member is so fucking annoying bruh!!
what was its original name?
its the same Brandy stan thats been on all the boards
mentions "radios" and "teams" a lot. leave that boy alone ssddd :dead:
Quote from: Bulldagger on August 24, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
Beyonce is a flop by her own standards. When people look back at her career, they gon' be like, "That's all she sold?!" Beyonce is an icon, but her stats are not legendary.
@MoToThE The lou, baby!
u sound dumb. Especially when u factor in DC sales.
:feelinmyself:
cracks me up when the Bey stans want to add DC to her career mess when it's convenient
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 24, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
!!!! If anything these R&B artists put more effort into their production than these generic Pop artists.
but it's easier tearing down black artists and their music than the shitty Pop artists.
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:13:25 AM
cracks me up when the Bey stans want to add DC to her career mess when it's convenient
Her stans are so delusional. They can trash everybody else's stats, but they have so many excuses when it comes to Beyonce. She is never a flop, she's never an underachiever. LOL Didn't her own husband say men lie, women lie, but sales don't? Where her diamond album? And don't say it's the climate of the industry because Adele sold 10 million. She only has 5 or 6 #1's, but the way they act you'd think she had Celine, Whitney, Mariah, Madonna & Rihanna stats combined. Delu- lu- lu -lu- sional.
I mean the gorls sound dumb. b she slayed in a group and slayed solo. It just kinda is what it is. b
The reality of it all. LOL!
Quote from: Bulldagger on August 25, 2015, 01:17:29 AM
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:13:25 AM
cracks me up when the Bey stans want to add DC to her career mess when it's convenient
Her stans are so delusional. They can trash everybody else's stats, but they have so many excuses when it comes to Beyonce. She is never a flop, she's never an underachiever. LOL Didn't her own husband say men lie, women lie, but sales don't? Where her diamond album? And don't say it's the climate of the industry because Adele sold 10 million. She only has 5 or 6 #1's, but the way they act you'd think she had Celine, Whitney, Mariah, Madonna & Rihanna stats combined. Delu- lu- lu -lu- sional.
damns but yeah
this has to be the Amerie stan, or the "whogoncheckmeboo"
the main 2 Bey haters
Quote from: FINE. on August 25, 2015, 01:21:40 AM
I mean the gorls sound dumb. b she slayed in a group and slayed solo. It just kinda is what it is. b
The reality of it all. LOL!
Sigh. I'm not saying she didn't, but she's not exactly SHITTIN' on the competition. Call a thing a thing. The way y'all boast about this woman you would think she was shittin' on everybody.
But when generation whatever looks back 50 years from now, she will be arguably the biggest star of this time period, but her stats...not her awards...will look embarrassing.
Quote from: Bulldagger on August 25, 2015, 01:39:56 AM
Quote from: FINE. on August 25, 2015, 01:21:40 AM
I mean the gorls sound dumb. b she slayed in a group and slayed solo. It just kinda is what it is. b
The reality of it all. LOL!
Sigh. I'm not saying she didn't, but she's not exactly SHITTIN' on the competition. Call a thing a thing. The way y'all boast about this woman you would think she was shittin' on everybody.
But when generation whatever looks back 50 years from now, she will be arguably the biggest star of this time period, but her stats...not her awards...will look embarrassing.
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/a7ac96d98f419b3f5ec8f30a44ee9ec5/tumblr_ndnjf0BUdh1r1ult6o1_500.gif)
You don't know what ppl will be looking back on and thinking and/or saying
Like just shut up n
She was apart of one the biggest girl groups of all time..broken records
Went solo and slayed even more
Not here for the nit picking. it's like she can never win with some of you black gorls.
definitely the Amerie stan
n
gonna have to agree with bulldag'
she seems to know what she's talking about! the gorls are just a bit biased...
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 24, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
!!!! If anything these R&B artists put more effort into their production than these generic Pop artists.
but it's easier tearing down black artists and their music than the shitty Pop artists.
Right.
They wouldn't be getting torn down if the shit was top 40
It's not that weirdo Amerie Stan
He doesn't make sense
n
well that stuff about looking back 50 years from now
sounds like something he'd say
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 25, 2015, 02:31:58 AM
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 24, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
!!!! If anything these R&B artists put more effort into their production than these generic Pop artists.
but it's easier tearing down black artists and their music than the shitty Pop artists.
Right.
They wouldn't be getting torn down if the shit was top 40
Who here said the current Top 40 pop artists put more effort into their music? It's pop music. It's expected to be whack. R&B on the other hand is a quality genre, and in my opinion the quality has declined over the last few years.
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I swear Bey be having the girls minds. Queen doesn't need a Diamond alber when DC is at 120 million records sold with 2 8x platinum messes and she's at 55 million as a solo artist (actual worldwide stats for you wiki source dummies.) The Hive is good.
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Quote from: squid on August 25, 2015, 05:59:15 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 25, 2015, 02:31:58 AM
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 24, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
!!!! If anything these R&B artists put more effort into their production than these generic Pop artists.
but it's easier tearing down black artists and their music than the shitty Pop artists.
Right.
They wouldn't be getting torn down if the shit was top 40
Who here said the current Top 40 pop artists put more effort into their music? It's pop music. It's expected to be whack. R&B on the other hand is a quality genre, and in my opinion the quality has declined over the last few years.
Basically.
A good question would be: Where are the Michaels, the Whitneys, the Janets or the Lauryn Hills of current generation? Where are the new classics?
the sad answer is that there arent. Thats the main issue here. Not about sales or Billboard position. The music isnt as great as it was back in the day. None can deny that.
Its not about pop acts vs r&b acts, thats irrelevant. Its about R&b genre itself. Is it in its best shape possible?......... No. We need new classics, well, the genre needs new classics. The day it happens again, the genre will get more spotlight.
Quote from: squid on August 25, 2015, 05:59:15 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 25, 2015, 02:31:58 AM
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 24, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
!!!! If anything these R&B artists put more effort into their production than these generic Pop artists.
but it's easier tearing down black artists and their music than the shitty Pop artists.
Right.
They wouldn't be getting torn down if the shit was top 40
Who here said the current Top 40 pop artists put more effort into their music? It's pop music. It's expected to be whack. R&B on the other hand is a quality genre, and in my opinion the quality has declined over the last few years.
And who said I was discussing people here? It's a GENERAL statement number one. Number two, it has declined. Duh. I know that already, but it doesn't negate anything that Iman said.
Quote from: S.S on August 25, 2015, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: squid on August 25, 2015, 05:59:15 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 25, 2015, 02:31:58 AM
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 24, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
!!!! If anything these R&B artists put more effort into their production than these generic Pop artists.
but it's easier tearing down black artists and their music than the shitty Pop artists.
Right.
They wouldn't be getting torn down if the shit was top 40
Who here said the current Top 40 pop artists put more effort into their music? It's pop music. It's expected to be whack. R&B on the other hand is a quality genre, and in my opinion the quality has declined over the last few years.
Basically.
A good question would be: Where are the Michaels, the Whitneys, the Janets or the Lauryn Hills of current generation? Where are the new classics?
the sad answer is that there arent. Thats the main issue here. Not about sales or Billboard position. The music isnt as great as it was back in the day. None can deny that.
Its not about pop acts vs r&b acts, thats irrelevant. Its about R&b genre itself. Is it in its best shape possible?......... No. We need new classics, well, the genre needs new classics. The day it happens again, the genre will get more spotlight.
Ok and nobody said it was in it's best shape. It's pretty CLEAR that it hasn't been in it's best shape since 2008. At the end of the day, the point is, R&B music is always torn down, but bitches like Taylor Swift, someone whose music isn't even all that great gets a pass because her ass is making shit that's topping the charts. I feel like it's easy for people to constantly diss R&B music vs Pop music and that's just how I feel.
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 25, 2015, 09:54:28 AM
Quote from: S.S on August 25, 2015, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: squid on August 25, 2015, 05:59:15 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 25, 2015, 02:31:58 AM
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 24, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
!!!! If anything these R&B artists put more effort into their production than these generic Pop artists.
but it's easier tearing down black artists and their music than the shitty Pop artists.
Right.
They wouldn't be getting torn down if the shit was top 40
Who here said the current Top 40 pop artists put more effort into their music? It's pop music. It's expected to be whack. R&B on the other hand is a quality genre, and in my opinion the quality has declined over the last few years.
Basically.
A good question would be: Where are the Michaels, the Whitneys, the Janets or the Lauryn Hills of current generation? Where are the new classics?
the sad answer is that there arent. Thats the main issue here. Not about sales or Billboard position. The music isnt as great as it was back in the day. None can deny that.
Its not about pop acts vs r&b acts, thats irrelevant. Its about R&b genre itself. Is it in its best shape possible?......... No. We need new classics, well, the genre needs new classics. The day it happens again, the genre will get more spotlight.
Ok and nobody said it was in it's best shape. It's pretty CLEAR that it hasn't been in it's best shape since 2008. At the end of the day, the point is, R&B music is always torn down, but bitches like Taylor Swift, someone whose music isn't even all that great gets a pass because her ass is making shit that's topping the charts. I feel like it's easy for people to constantly diss R&B music vs Pop music and that's just how I feel.
I agree
R&B isnt even as bad as ppl are acting, there is good and bad music out and always as been. tbh I think albums are stronger nowadays, back in the 90s & early 2000s a lot of albums had a LOT of filler ad nothing was great except the singles
Mainstream R&B sucks now. Same recycled bullshit songs. No diversity whatsoever.
Quote from: FOHWTBS on August 25, 2015, 10:56:26 AM
Mainstream R&B sucks now. Same recycled bullshit songs. No diversity whatsoever.
They should be blaming their faves for that. There is a reason Bey, Herpe, Nicki are successful. They step out of their box and offer different shit musically and find different unique ways to be creative and get their messes out. I mean Nicki not so much, well as far as hip hop I guess her pop girl aspirations are unique ehh
I won't even include DICKi.
But tbh, Bey and Rih aren't even stepping outside the box musically. They just give a quick Trap KNOCK tea or some R&B/Pop Ballad mess. Nothing groundbreaking
Quote from: ⅆ ⅇ ⅉ ⅈ. on August 25, 2015, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: FOHWTBS on August 25, 2015, 10:56:26 AM
Mainstream R&B sucks now. Same recycled bullshit songs. No diversity whatsoever.
They should be blaming their faves for that. There is a reason Bey, Herpe, Nicki are successful. They step out of their box and offer different shit musically and find different unique ways to be creative and get their messes out. I mean Nicki not so much, well as far as hip hop I guess her pop girl aspirations are unique ehh
Yeah Nicki hasn't done anything "diverse" that Lil' Kim haven't already accomplished or achieved.
Rihanna she's not exciting anymore. Her whole movement is becoming redundant.
Beyonce no comment.
Quote from: ⅆ ⅇ ⅉ ⅈ. on August 25, 2015, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: FOHWTBS on August 25, 2015, 10:56:26 AM
Mainstream R&B sucks now. Same recycled bullshit songs. No diversity whatsoever.
They should be blaming their faves for that. There is a reason Bey, Herpe, Nicki are successful. They step out of their box and offer different shit musically and find different unique ways to be creative and get their messes out. I mean Nicki not so much, well as far as hip hop I guess her pop girl aspirations are unique ehh
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All those girls make basic ass music. stop
Quote from: squid on August 25, 2015, 05:59:15 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 25, 2015, 02:31:58 AM
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: SCOTTland on August 24, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
How can you bash R&B singers for using the same producers, when these microwave oven ass pop stars do the same?
!!!! If anything these R&B artists put more effort into their production than these generic Pop artists.
but it's easier tearing down black artists and their music than the shitty Pop artists.
Right.
They wouldn't be getting torn down if the shit was top 40
Who here said the current Top 40 pop artists put more effort into their music? It's pop music. It's expected to be whack. R&B on the other hand is a quality genre, and in my opinion the quality has declined over the last few years.
pop music is not expected to be whack. that's BS
That was once a quality genre as well. music in general is suffering, period. Namely mainstream music
quality music exists in both pop and R&B. one isn't more intrinsically better than the other.
the issue is why taylor swift can get away with microwaving bullshit and being praised for it while R&B artists are expected to be Mozart.
but if we're being totally honest, mainstream music has always been crappy and dumbed down for the masses. that's nothing new. we remember what we enjoy and apply the nostalgia from that to everything else that was being released at the time.
I was just reading an article with D'Angelo saying R&B had become too club-oriented and the interview was from the late nineties. :dead:
Quote from: ANIMMAI on August 25, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
quality music exists in both pop and R&B. one isn't more intrinsically better than the other.
the issue is why taylor swift can get away with microwaving bullshit and being praised for it while R&B artists are expected to be Mozart.
tears
Quote from: ANIMMAI on August 25, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
quality music exists in both pop and R&B. one isn't more intrinsically better than the other.
the issue is why taylor swift can get away with microwaving bullshit and being praised for it while R&B artists are expected to be Mozart.
THANK YOU!!!
Quote from: Bulldagger on August 24, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
Beyonce is a flop
:jackiessales: :jackiessales: :jackiessales:
Quote from: iman on August 25, 2015, 12:13:25 AM
cracks me up when the Bey stans want to add DC to her career mess when it's convenient
!!!
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Quote from: ANIMMAI on August 25, 2015, 02:05:01 AM
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gonna have to agree with bulldag'
she seems to know what she's talking about! the gorls are just a bit biased...
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He's in here preaching. I use. :supluv: