“The Artists Aren’t As Innovative As They Should Be” (R&B)

Started by Wtv, August 22, 2015, 01:06:17 PM

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Wtv

Very interesting interview by a record executive.

TGJ posted an extract:

Tgj:

"You could cut the exact same songs with a black female singer that I cut with Ariana, and they would be nowhere as big."

The comment above was made by Republic Records Executive Wendy Goldstein as she awaits the release of 'Beauty Behind the Madness' by her artist The Weeknd.
However, despite enjoying success with the entertainer of Pop and Rhythmic platforms, the industry power player has revealed that she's anything but happy with the state of R&B music in today's world.
Why?

Her conversation with 'Billboard' below...
When asked to weigh in on contemporary R&B's struggle to match Hip Hop on a critical and commercial front she shared:

Quote"I don't think the artists are being as ?innovative as they should be. Even on the hip-hop side, the records have been dumbed down so that very few really smart records get through, like a J. Cole, Kendrick or a Big Sean. But on the singing side, it has been worse. No one has been able to pull up with a defining record that's a game-changer. That's what R&B needs right now. Guys that we were ?hoping were going to be that have been very slow to get out of the box again, like Frank Ocean and Miguel. And it's partially radio's fault. They're not so open to ?playing ?[adventurous] things until they're big somewhere else.

Urban has a fundamental problem trying to find its place, and it absolutely is the fault of the system: You could cut the exact same songs with a black female singer that I cut with Ariana, and they would be nowhere as big. But I also feel that we have to get a little more adventurous in urban. When you think about groups like The Fugees and Outkast — where are those groups today? Where's that person who has that voice like Lauryn Hill who can be as f–ing grimy and "hood" as possible, but then come out with a song like "Killing Me Softly" that was No. 1 around the world? The only true R&B that's out there right now, I hate to say it, are legacy things. But kids know no ?genre-specific boundaries, so you're ?getting more hybrid acts like The Weeknd or Janelle Monae, which wouldn't ?necessarily sit at just R&B [radio]. At some point, you're going to see the hybrid things break out."

tgj:

We concur.

Unfortunately, the same can be said for the majority of today's Pop contenders who are just as (forgive us for this) basic but have been able to hide behind hits designed for radio.
Meanwhile, innovative and groundbreaking acts such as Jazmine Sullivan, Kwabs, Lianne La Havas and Dawn Richard are ignored by labels who seem to think audiences are uninterested in soulful and layered artists when those soulful and layered artists are black


Read more: http://thatgrapejuice.net/2015/08/record-executive-weighs-the-state-the-artists-arent-innovative-they-should/#ixzz3jZ3pwm3o

Tetsuo


Wtv

I 100% agreed with her. the industry is horrible, the labels, radio and all of that..... but...... thats not where all the fault is.

throwintheTAL

umm, fuck that. radio needs to start playing these black female singers' singles. thats the real issue. :ohwow:


Wtv

the point she's making is not just that. The issue here is: are the singles/music as solid/strong enough?

Young

Quote from: throwintheTAL on August 22, 2015, 02:02:16 PM
umm, fuck that. radio needs to start playing these black female singers' singles. thats the real issue. :ohwow:


yummy

why are they always piling on the R&B artists? most of these pop tarts are doing nothing but rehashing past trends and mimicking lesser known artists.

RAY7

what do ppl want from R&B? I dont get it. its just MUSIC theres only so many notes to sing, chords to put together
and melodies. Then even when someone comes up with something different, no one buys it anyway. At least R&B artists are talented for the most part FAILyor Swift is not innovative, and her voice is horrid but she outsells the whole industry
this is bull

RekeRig

Quote from: ANIMMAI on August 22, 2015, 02:56:51 PM
why are they always piling on the R&B artists? most of these pop tarts are doing nothing but rehashing past trends and mimicking lesser known artists.
!!!!

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Wtv

Its a bit ironic how now of a sudden current r&b music its fine for some... but then most of the time I see users on here shading a single from this artist, that other song from that male, the single from this, the single from that.... what kind of irony is that? lol

RekeRig

the point is, no one bashes Pop artists for doing the same recycled BS. People expect too much from some of these R&B artists.  There's still greatness out there ... just little support.

GYNandTONIC

R&B fucking sucks.

Ill blame radio first because artist will not create innovative songs if thet know radio wont play. Most urban artist are fighting to get on the radio so the music is geared towards that.

MAY

A lot of R&B music is redundant and boring, but the same can be said for the Pop mess.
The difference is, mainstream radio & media support White acts.
Black gorls doesn't get that same treatment unless it's Rih, Bey, or Nicki.

If Jazmine had made "All About That Bass" it would have never blown up the way it did.

Wtv

thats true. Its obvious that the industry isnt fair, and pop acts get HEAVY support. none can deny that.
thats why r&b acts should fight harder and harder, a "decent single" is not enough. Thats basically the point of that executive. And I agree. Music isnt strong enough.