you have some ppul that subscribe to the oh gender doesnt exist its a social construct and no matter what they are born as u have to see them as that
and im like well isn't the whole identity of you being trans indication of a transition?
and then they get into well what makes a woman
Coochie
hormones
reproductivity features
aesthetic stuff like longer hair and breasts
and their like no cause someone doesnt have all that does that make them less of a woman ?
so were supposed to see you as a woman just cause u want us to or else were feeding into made up social construct?
thats dumb
If you are biologically female and you consider yourself male thats fine
if you are biologically male and consider yourself female thats fine
but if you have to resort to altering and cutting and doing all this extra shit than its admitting that A) you weren't born how you wanted to be and you are taking actions toward being who you want to be and if u truly belived no gender existed there wouldnt be a need for alterations on your part and B) there there is a defining line between the two that you know about :uhh:
leaving intersexed and hermaphrodites out of it (the true transgender imo)
its crazy :usuresis:
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A woman is simply a human female. Of you dont naturally have a fuckin uterus and the rest of the reproductive system, you arent a woman to me.
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:uhh: Please research and read up on what gender identity means. I hate when people are so ignorant when it comes to transgender people.
Quote from: MelMel on October 18, 2016, 12:18:42 AM
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That was my exact response bby when I read this nonsense.
Quote from: Jay. on October 18, 2016, 12:31:36 AM
:uhh: Please research and read up on what gender identity means. I hate when people are so ignorant when it comes to transgender people.
Im not ignorant im just not IGNORING REALITY but I respect their Identity either way
Quote from: Jay. on October 18, 2016, 12:31:36 AM
:uhh: Please research and read up on what gender identity means. I hate when people are so ignorant when it comes to transgender people.
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 12:35:05 AM
Quote from: Jay. on October 18, 2016, 12:31:36 AM
:uhh: Please research and read up on what gender identity means. I hate when people are so ignorant when it comes to transgender people.
Im not ignorant im just not IGNORING REALITY but I respect their Identity either way
then what's the point of this thread?
and you obviously don't respect it if you're questioning the way they feel & what makes them happy.
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
post op or not, if they identify as "transgender", then that's what they identify as & just deal with it.
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:37:37 AM
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 12:35:05 AM
Quote from: Jay. on October 18, 2016, 12:31:36 AM
:uhh: Please research and read up on what gender identity means. I hate when people are so ignorant when it comes to transgender people.
Im not ignorant im just not IGNORING REALITY but I respect their Identity either way
then what's the point of this thread?
and you obviously don't respect it if you're questioning the way they feel & what makes them happy.
Well you cant TELL someone who they are simply because they were born a certain gender imo
but you also cant say they were born a way there not either
and you also cant say that the way they FELL does not involve and transition of some sort
the problem is some of them dont wanna be considered transgender they just want to be seen as what they want to be
I say you have to acknowledge that you were born a different way and now you are another
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 12:35:05 AM
Quote from: Jay. on October 18, 2016, 12:31:36 AM
:uhh: Please research and read up on what gender identity means. I hate when people are so ignorant when it comes to transgender people.
Im not ignorant im just not IGNORING REALITY but I respect their Identity either way
You are being ignorant. Simple as that.
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
post op or not, if they identify as "transgender", then that's what they identify as & just deal with it.
!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
But since he specifically mentioned the ones who do take hormones and nip and tuck, why not address that? We know transgender is an umbrella term but he was rather specific. I dont think yall actually tried to understand his question, rather jump at the opportunity to show everyone how tolerant and understanding you are and oh! ignorant!
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
post op or not, if they identify as "transgender", then that's what they identify as & just deal with it.
thats how i see it i say be you with what you got
those are usually called non binary trans
but my post was for the ones that dont want the transgender label and just want to male or female without saying trangender male or transgender female
but is clearly going from one to the other
Quote from: Jay. on October 18, 2016, 12:48:44 AM
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 12:35:05 AM
Quote from: Jay. on October 18, 2016, 12:31:36 AM
:uhh: Please research and read up on what gender identity means. I hate when people are so ignorant when it comes to transgender people.
Im not ignorant im just not IGNORING REALITY but I respect their Identity either way
You are being ignorant. Simple as that.
Which part is ignorant there are more sides to the issue than how transgendered ppul view themselves
as well as scientific facts to back it up as well
where is the ignorance?
Quote from: Columbo! PICASSO! on October 18, 2016, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
But since he specifically mentioned the ones who do take hormones and nip and tuck, why not address that? We know transgender is an umbrella term but he was rather specific. I dont think yall actually tried to understand his question, rather jump at the opportunity to show everyone how tolerant and understanding you are and oh! ignorant!
so he should say "trans logic" as in ALL trans think that way?
I rarely hear that... But I don't think someone saying 'that makes her less than a woman?' should be taken literal. that sounds more like "just because I'm trans, I'm human too."
since people like to act like trans is a disease or an "OTHER" in gender classification. it doesn't sound like they are forcing people to think they were actually born a female/male when they obviously weren't.
they just want to feel 'normal' and accepted just as anyone else.
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 12:52:01 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
post op or not, if they identify as "transgender", then that's what they identify as & just deal with it.
thats how i see it i say be you with what you got
those are usually called non binary trans
but my post was for the ones that dont want the transgender label and just want to male or female without saying trangender male or transgender female
but is clearly going from one to the other
oops. my bad.
but,
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??.I rarely hear that... But I don't think someone saying 'that makes her less than a woman?' should be taken literal. that sounds more like "just because I'm trans, I'm human too."
since people like to act like trans is a disease or an "OTHER" in gender classification. it doesn't sound like they are forcing people to think they were actually born a female/male when they obviously weren't.
they just want to feel 'normal' and accepted just as anyone else.
But Lew you do get the diff between transgen and transsex right
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: Columbo! PICASSO! on October 18, 2016, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
But since he specifically mentioned the ones who do take hormones and nip and tuck, why not address that? We know transgender is an umbrella term but he was rather specific. I dont think yall actually tried to understand his question, rather jump at the opportunity to show everyone how tolerant and understanding you are and oh! ignorant!
so he should say "trans logic" as in ALL trans think that way?
I rarely hear that... But I don't think someone saying 'that makes her less than a woman?' should be taken literal. that sounds more like "just because I'm trans, I'm human too."
since people like to act like trans is a disease or an "OTHER" in gender classification. it doesn't sound like they are forcing people to think they were actually born a female/male when they obviously weren't.
well its not all trans but i explained which trans logic i was referring to (the ones who do not belive there was a transition eventho they are taking steps towards it and the ones who subscribe to the gender does not exist theory)
and its my opinion that gender roles are a social construct because there are things pushed on us
like girls play with dolls and easy bake ovens and boys play with cars trucks planes and fix it stuff
and that is a social construct of gender roles
but to say actual gender doesnt exist is weird imo
and i think if the people really belived this there would be a more a move to identifying with both sexes equally instead of just going against being (as they were born)
if that makes sense
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 01:05:08 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: Columbo! PICASSO! on October 18, 2016, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
But since he specifically mentioned the ones who do take hormones and nip and tuck, why not address that? We know transgender is an umbrella term but he was rather specific. I dont think yall actually tried to understand his question, rather jump at the opportunity to show everyone how tolerant and understanding you are and oh! ignorant!
so he should say "trans logic" as in ALL trans think that way?
I rarely hear that... But I don't think someone saying 'that makes her less than a woman?' should be taken literal. that sounds more like "just because I'm trans, I'm human too."
since people like to act like trans is a disease or an "OTHER" in gender classification. it doesn't sound like they are forcing people to think they were actually born a female/male when they obviously weren't.
well its not all trans but i explained which trans logic i was referring to (the ones who do not belive there was a transition eventho they are taking steps towards it and the ones who subscribe to the gender does not exist theory)
and its my opinion that gender roles are a social construct because there are things pushed on us
like girls play with dolls and easy bake ovens and boys play with cars trucks planes and fix it stuff
and that is a social construct of gender roles
but to say actual gender doesnt exist is weird imo
and i think if the people really belived this there would be a more a move to identifying with both sexes equally instead of just going against being (as they were born)
if that makes sense
I get what you're saying now.
But in the mp I didn't understand and it didn't make sense. :dead:
so you're talking about AGENDER people?
Quote from: Columbo! PICASSO! on October 18, 2016, 01:00:39 AM
But Lew you do get the diff between transgen and transsex right
I know there is a difference between the two
but in the terms of LGBT the T is for transgender so for the sake of argument thats what im using
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 01:09:46 AM
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 01:05:08 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: Columbo! PICASSO! on October 18, 2016, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
But since he specifically mentioned the ones who do take hormones and nip and tuck, why not address that? We know transgender is an umbrella term but he was rather specific. I dont think yall actually tried to understand his question, rather jump at the opportunity to show everyone how tolerant and understanding you are and oh! ignorant!
so he should say "trans logic" as in ALL trans think that way?
I rarely hear that... But I don't think someone saying 'that makes her less than a woman?' should be taken literal. that sounds more like "just because I'm trans, I'm human too."
since people like to act like trans is a disease or an "OTHER" in gender classification. it doesn't sound like they are forcing people to think they were actually born a female/male when they obviously weren't.
well its not all trans but i explained which trans logic i was referring to (the ones who do not belive there was a transition eventho they are taking steps towards it and the ones who subscribe to the gender does not exist theory)
and its my opinion that gender roles are a social construct because there are things pushed on us
like girls play with dolls and easy bake ovens and boys play with cars trucks planes and fix it stuff
and that is a social construct of gender roles
but to say actual gender doesnt exist is weird imo
and i think if the people really belived this there would be a more a move to identifying with both sexes equally instead of just going against being (as they were born)
if that makes sense
I get what you're saying now.
But in the mp I didn't understand and it didn't make sense. :dead:
so you're talking about AGENDER people?
lol agender?? :kii: :kii: :kii:
yeah i guess so
there are many interpretations just like with gay and bisexuality how fluid it is
and i accept the fluidity but i say stand in the truth either way
i know we have a few trans on hea
v
You married a white womuh, now you hate them
You couldn't admit you were gay, now you're getting Fcked my strangers
You'll get hip to trans eventually.
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME on October 18, 2016, 01:30:48 AM
v
You married a white womuh, now you hate them
You couldn't admit you were gay, now you're getting Fcked my strangers
You'll get hip to trans eventually.
gorl
i dunno what you are talking about i remember coming out on bsource :uhh:
hey now
u stop it
The point is you weren't always clear about it.
There was a 'before'
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 01:13:33 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 01:09:46 AM
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 01:05:08 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: Columbo! PICASSO! on October 18, 2016, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
But since he specifically mentioned the ones who do take hormones and nip and tuck, why not address that? We know transgender is an umbrella term but he was rather specific. I dont think yall actually tried to understand his question, rather jump at the opportunity to show everyone how tolerant and understanding you are and oh! ignorant!
so he should say "trans logic" as in ALL trans think that way?
I rarely hear that... But I don't think someone saying 'that makes her less than a woman?' should be taken literal. that sounds more like "just because I'm trans, I'm human too."
since people like to act like trans is a disease or an "OTHER" in gender classification. it doesn't sound like they are forcing people to think they were actually born a female/male when they obviously weren't.
well its not all trans but i explained which trans logic i was referring to (the ones who do not belive there was a transition eventho they are taking steps towards it and the ones who subscribe to the gender does not exist theory)
and its my opinion that gender roles are a social construct because there are things pushed on us
like girls play with dolls and easy bake ovens and boys play with cars trucks planes and fix it stuff
and that is a social construct of gender roles
but to say actual gender doesnt exist is weird imo
and i think if the people really belived this there would be a more a move to identifying with both sexes equally instead of just going against being (as they were born)
if that makes sense
I get what you're saying now.
But in the mp I didn't understand and it didn't make sense. :dead:
so you're talking about AGENDER people?
lol agender?? :kii: :kii: :kii:
yeah i guess so
there are many interpretations just like with gay and bisexuality how fluid it is
and i accept the fluidity but i say stand in the truth either way
:omgwatshappening:
I just don't get why they identify as both transgender and the new gender they've become. If I got a strap permanently attached, I would claim "male" and only that
Quote from: TheNextLew on October 18, 2016, 12:52:01 AM
Quote from: ȼħ∆rḷ??. on October 18, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
there are transgenders that don't take hormones, don't get surgeries and are happy with the parts they have but they just don't feel the gender they were given at birth.
just because someone doesn't go all out doesn't make them less of a transgender than the next.
post op or not, if they identify as "transgender", then that's what they identify as & just deal with it.
thats how i see it i say be you with what you got
those are usually called non binary trans
but my post was for the ones that dont want the transgender label and just want to male or female without saying trangender male or transgender female
but is clearly going from one to the other
I don't see the issue with that.
Quote from: Damnation on October 18, 2016, 08:43:37 PM
I just don't get why they identify as both transgender and the new gender they've become. If I got a strap permanently attached, I would claim "male" and only that
:kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:
Some of you might want to do some reading and studying before making unfounded and rather uninformed comments about the transgender, queer and gender non-conforming communities. Thanks in advance.
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Quote from: Tahj Zezo. on October 19, 2016, 07:53:28 AM
There's this transgender boy who fumed saying there's more than 2 genders and I strongly disagreed. Even if you're transgender, you're either a man, a woman, or a hermaphrodite.
You're talking about sex, not gender sweets. There's a difference.