https://www.instagram.com/p/BtsSav0BQel/
QuotenickcannonAre these your Kings of Late Night??? @JimmyFallon @JimmyKimmel you know I?m always on the side of the comedian and never pander to the sensitive, but I feel there needs to be some ?truth & reconciliation? discussions and teachable moments amongst our communities. I?m ready and willing for the discourse, so who wants to step up to the table first? In the meantime, I?ll just leave this right here. Tell the Jimmys to holla at me!??
Im low-key starting to love Nick! This nigga is SICK of white people conveniently bypassing their own indiscretions but trying to persecute black people to the fullest with their past missteps :plzstop:
Wait King
Don?t see the problem when it?s comedy
Was white chicks racists?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Btv45drhonY/
I had no Idea Nick was out here really speaking a word.
Quote from: Chokeme Politely on February 14, 2019, 03:24:18 AM
Don?t see the problem when it?s comedy
Was white chicks racists?
q
Quote from: Chokeme Politely on February 14, 2019, 03:24:18 AM
Don?t see the problem when it?s comedy
Was white chicks racists?
That's a good point (white chicks). Blackface was intended to be funny tho. It was them ridiculing black people and how we were supposedly idiots so I'm not understanding the "no problem when it's comedy" remark. To them it's supposed to be in jest
QuoteFebruary 13, 2019
They did this in comidy skits tho like funny skits nothing racial!
black people do skits of white people all the time and its okj!
stop reaching black floks! we as a people cant be this sensative!
Choke's comment made me think about this idiot
:ermm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtsIoX0BqSq/
QuotenickcannonHappy ?BLACKFACE? History Month!!! ????? I?m sure we can expect some more ?Apologies? by Monday...
Nick is with ALL the shit huh :plzstop:
(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/nfe_square_383x383/2014/03/nick_cannon_white_people_party_music.jpg)
Explain the difference
And this is me at my most open minded
So I?m willing to listen and learn a bit
(https://media.giphy.com/media/10lSuA9bMlAVfa/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Chokeme Politely on February 14, 2019, 03:39:08 AM
(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/nfe_square_383x383/2014/03/nick_cannon_white_people_party_music.jpg)
Explain the difference
And this is me at my most open minded
So I?m willing to listen and learn a bit
(https://media.giphy.com/media/10lSuA9bMlAVfa/giphy.gif)
I think this is valid tbh. So when is blackface inappropriate in your opinion? Could they do blackface on SNL and u think it's ok because "it's comedy"
Whiteface isn't rooted in racism or does it have the history Blackface does.
Blackface was invented by white actors to portray black people by wearing tattered clothes and exaggerated our features to look stereotypically "black." It started off by mimicking enslaved Africans on Southern plantations, depicting black people as lazy, ignorant, cowardly or hypersexual, stereotypes which still harm us and limit us today.
Two different things people.
Choke, funny enough Nick addressed this on his insta
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtsYAvWhhC3/
QuotenickcannonTEACHABLE MOMENT: America, There is NO such thing as ?WhiteFace? just like there is no such thing as ?Reverse Racism?. BlackFace and Racism are rooted in and are byproducts of the Institutionalized Oppression of a subjugated people. The racist and severely damaging ?Jim Crow laws? received its name from the BLackface minstrel movement of the 19th century and proceeds to cause pain to this day. A constant reminder that People of color are looked at as second class citizens in this country. Now when you look up the standard definition of ?Whiteface? all you will find is an elite Ski Resort in Upstate NY. This is not a Tit-for-Tat argument. These are FACTS. These recent revealings of people painting themselves black or brown and speaking in broken slang in an attempt to be humorous or have fun; as if our culture is some sort of party trick or costume is unacceptable. Along with @Gucci @Prada @Moncler and any other companies or corporations who wish to exploit our pain. Racism is when an ?elite? group uses its systemic power to enforce harm, hardship, and pain on others. If you don?t understand this, then it probably means you are or benefit from that elite group of privileged oppressors that we speak of.
ROUND 1 goes to : THE CULTURE ?? Holla at me!!!
It's just a no-go area for white people comedy or not.
It's like a white person trying to use the word "nigger" in a joke or "noose" and "black people" in the same joke.
Just nope. Not going anywhere you can't spin that into anything funny or positive :dead:
A SNL skit of Jay and Bey in ?black face? wouldnt offend me.
It?s just trying to imitate another person and their personality/ mannerisms
This would tho
(http://www.dirtbunny.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-the-jazz-singer-al-jolson-1927-everett.jpg)
He doesn?t even look human. He?s not imitating anyone. It?s his own racist idea of how all black people look and act
There's no comparison between blackface and whiteface. Only one has a nasty historical context and was used to opress people. White people have never been oppressed, so whiteface isn't offensive. And if it is, oh well lol!
Right and before someone even mentions or gets started on that whole "dumb blonde!" thing
Well that whole bit was started BY white people and carried ON by white people :dead:
Quote from: Chokeme Politely on February 14, 2019, 03:50:38 AM
A SNL skit of Jay and Bey in ?black face? wouldnt offend me.
It?s just trying to imitate another person and their personality/ mannerisms
This would tho
(http://www.dirtbunny.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-the-jazz-singer-al-jolson-1927-everett.jpg)
He doesn?t even look human. He?s not imitating anyone. It?s his own racist idea of how all black people look and act
Blackface is always wrong. This idea that the racism has to be blatant in order to be clovked, it's not working at all
QuoteThis idea that the racism has to be blatant in order to be clocked, it's not working at all
see here bitch
:guys:
Quote from: NAOMI!!! on February 14, 2019, 03:54:04 AM
QuoteThis idea that the racism has to be blatant in order to be clocked, it's not working at all
see here bitch
:guys:
Idk whether choke was simply trolling, but he sayin some fucked up backwards shit in here
Quote from: NAOMI!!! on February 14, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
Whiteface isn't rooted in racism or does it have the history Blackface does.
Blackface was invented by white actors to portray black people by wearing tattered clothes and exaggerated our features to look stereotypically "black." It started off by mimicking enslaved Africans on Southern plantations, depicting black people as lazy, ignorant, cowardly or hypersexual, stereotypes which still harm us and limit us today.
Two different things people.
I get this. I guess I just think it shouldn't be done in general because i think if we do it it's almost like a free pass for someone else to follow that behavior. I think respect should be given all around. Blackface and what the wayans did in white chicks is pretty much the same thing isn't it? One group of people taking what they think are stereotypical characteristics of another people and making a joke out of it. A caricatured version of a group of people
Quote from: Temper on February 14, 2019, 03:51:22 AM
There's no comparison between blackface and whiteface. Only one has a nasty historical context and was used to opress people. White people have never been oppressed, so whiteface isn't offensive. And if it is, oh well lol!
:plzstop: :kii: :plzstop: :kii: :plzstop:
Quote from: ZAIYE on February 14, 2019, 03:58:40 AM
Eek
I was gonna try and make a debate thread about this, but the more I typed the OP, the more coonish it began to sound.
This is why I shouldn't touch on world issues.
!!!!!
I re-read my last post and it is a lil "all lives matterish" :dead:
Quote from: ZAIYE on February 14, 2019, 04:01:51 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 03:59:14 AM
Quote from: NAOMI!!! on February 14, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
Whiteface isn't rooted in racism or does it have the history Blackface does.
Blackface was invented by white actors to portray black people by wearing tattered clothes and exaggerated our features to look stereotypically "black." It started off by mimicking enslaved Africans on Southern plantations, depicting black people as lazy, ignorant, cowardly or hypersexual, stereotypes which still harm us and limit us today.
Two different things people.
I get this. I guess I just think it shouldn't be done in general because i think if we do it it's almost like a free pass for someone else to follow that behavior. I think respect should be given all around. Blackface and what the wayans did in white chicks is pretty much the same thing isn't it? One group of people taking what they think are stereotypical characteristics of another people and making a joke out of it. A caricatured version of a group of people
All of this. By doing what they're doing, we're no better than them.
No, No & No. :uhh:
Ironic Jimmy?s impersonating Chris Rock
The same man that allows whites to say nigger right in front of him
:melmel:
Sorry they'll never be the same.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 03:49:42 AM
Choke, funny enough Nick addressed this on his insta
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtsYAvWhhC3/
QuotenickcannonTEACHABLE MOMENT: America, There is NO such thing as ?WhiteFace? just like there is no such thing as ?Reverse Racism?. BlackFace and Racism are rooted in and are byproducts of the Institutionalized Oppression of a subjugated people. The racist and severely damaging ?Jim Crow laws? received its name from the BLackface minstrel movement of the 19th century and proceeds to cause pain to this day. A constant reminder that People of color are looked at as second class citizens in this country. Now when you look up the standard definition of ?Whiteface? all you will find is an elite Ski Resort in Upstate NY. This is not a Tit-for-Tat argument. These are FACTS. These recent revealings of people painting themselves black or brown and speaking in broken slang in an attempt to be humorous or have fun; as if our culture is some sort of party trick or costume is unacceptable. Along with @Gucci @Prada @Moncler and any other companies or corporations who wish to exploit our pain. Racism is when an ?elite? group uses its systemic power to enforce harm, hardship, and pain on others. If you don?t understand this, then it probably means you are or benefit from that elite group of privileged oppressors that we speak of.
ROUND 1 goes to : THE CULTURE ?? Holla at me!!!
I had to come back and read this and I really do understand and agree with everything. I just try to take myself out of the equation and think about everyone and I get how someone would be like so it's cool for you to mock me but I'm racist if I mock u. It's a lil unfair, but shit the world is full of double standards and inconsistencies so :letsmessfag:
not saying fuck it and just naming him "cotton"
wtf :dead:
See the difference IS guys, you can throw some white paint on and throw a blonde wig on and act "white"? whatever that is....but white people are not at the bottom of the social ladder. These stereotypes are not affecting their income, communities, job prospects ect
Blackface is more than just throwing some black paint on, it's embodying and reinforcing these archaic stereotypes about black people, these stereotypes that STILL limit us today.
Uneducated, not worthy of employment, too sexual, too violent, too dumb, only good for physical labour, good enough to fuck but not good enough to date, big dicks and tits akin to animals ..and it's more than just thoughts, these things actually our lives and health in many ways.
So what if you tell some dumb blonde jokes and pull out a damn ham and cheese sandwich :uhh:
The effect is not the same and never will be the same.
Honkies should know not to put mud on their face and go out in public by now. There's no excuse for them. Whiteface has NEVER been an epidemic
Quote from: Temper on February 14, 2019, 04:15:45 AM
Honkies should know not to put mud on their face and go out in public by now. There's no excuse for them. Whiteface has NEVER been an epidemic
I agree with this too. I've legit never seen someone imitate white people in that way unless its some whitechicks/HOLLYWOOD shit. Matter fact, i can't recall a time outside of whitechicks that ive seen "whiteface".
So for regular ass white people to do shit like this for Halloween or whenever they wanna get their kicks has a whole different intention.
(https://cdn.studyinternational.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/shutterstock_160707134-2-390x249.jpg)
(https://imgix.bustle.com/elite-daily/2017/07/13125212/Dear-White-People-Blackface-Party-Netflix.jpg?w=1020&h=574&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format&q=70)
(https://cdn.face2faceafrica.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/DraVqYOX4AAkzbI.jpg)
I just googled whiteface and all that came up was mountains and that Nick cannon picture. Yea, black people don't even do that shit :dead:
I think nick cannon being in that makeup is gonna take away from his msg tho. I'm glad he addressed it himself tho before they pulled that pic of him
I'm combing thru Nick's mess and i had no idea he was this racial
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtbUK1RBter/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtcWE8UBtqX/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtoIDqDBy9t/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtmajFJhXMR/
Quote from: Temper on February 14, 2019, 03:51:22 AM
There's no comparison between blackface and whiteface. Only one has a nasty historical context and was used to opress people. White people have never been oppressed, so whiteface isn't offensive. And if it is, oh well lol!
:oof:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtYi7z7B-PY/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtqwK2ZhZOK/
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Lemme find out this nigga may be a lil funny. I should check out one of his stand ups
Quote from: NAOMI!!! on February 14, 2019, 04:13:45 AM
not saying fuck it and just naming him "cotton"
wtf :dead:
See the difference IS guys, you can throw some white paint on and throw a blonde wig on and act "white"? whatever that is....but white people are not at the bottom of the social ladder. These stereotypes are not affecting their income, communities, job prospects ect
Blackface is more than just throwing some black paint on, it's embodying and reinforcing these archaic stereotypes about black people, these stereotypes that STILL limit us today.
Uneducated, not worthy of employment, too sexual, too violent, too dumb, only good for physical labour, good enough to fuck but not good enough to date, big dicks and tits akin to animals ..and it's more than just thoughts, these things actually our lives and health in many ways.
So what if you tell some dumb blonde jokes and pull out a damn ham and cheese sandwich :uhh:
The effect is not the same and never will be the same.
:enchantress:
Quote from: NAOMI!!! on February 14, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
Whiteface isn't rooted in racism or does it have the history Blackface does.
Period
Quote from: Temper on February 14, 2019, 03:51:22 AM
There's no comparison between blackface and whiteface. Only one has a nasty historical context and was used to opress people. White people have never been oppressed, so whiteface isn't offensive. And if it is, oh well lol!
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 03:49:42 AM
Choke, funny enough Nick addressed this on his insta
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtsYAvWhhC3/
QuotenickcannonTEACHABLE MOMENT: America, There is NO such thing as ?WhiteFace? just like there is no such thing as ?Reverse Racism?. BlackFace and Racism are rooted in and are byproducts of the Institutionalized Oppression of a subjugated people. The racist and severely damaging ?Jim Crow laws? received its name from the BLackface minstrel movement of the 19th century and proceeds to cause pain to this day. A constant reminder that People of color are looked at as second class citizens in this country. Now when you look up the standard definition of ?Whiteface? all you will find is an elite Ski Resort in Upstate NY. This is not a Tit-for-Tat argument. These are FACTS. These recent revealings of people painting themselves black or brown and speaking in broken slang in an attempt to be humorous or have fun; as if our culture is some sort of party trick or costume is unacceptable. Along with @Gucci @Prada @Moncler and any other companies or corporations who wish to exploit our pain. Racism is when an ?elite? group uses its systemic power to enforce harm, hardship, and pain on others. If you don?t understand this, then it probably means you are or benefit from that elite group of privileged oppressors that we speak of.
ROUND 1 goes to : THE CULTURE ?? Holla at me!!!
Whew he lashed!!!
Quote from: Temper on February 14, 2019, 03:51:22 AM
There's no comparison between blackface and whiteface. Only one has a nasty historical context and was used to opress people. White people have never been oppressed, so whiteface isn't offensive. And if it is, oh well lol!
!!!
And that's it!
Quote from: NAOMI!!! on February 14, 2019, 03:54:04 AM
QuoteThis idea that the racism has to be blatant in order to be clocked, it's not working at all
see here bitch
:guys:
Quote from: 'ology on February 14, 2019, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: NAOMI!!! on February 14, 2019, 03:54:04 AM
QuoteThis idea that the racism has to be blatant in order to be clocked, it's not working at all
see here bitch
:guys:
CrustLIS' spoke a word though
people these days all racism is is just someone yelling NIGGER in someones face.
Non-POC just can't perceive covert racism, it's baffling to them :dead:
Black ppl have never had the social dominance in western cultures to make a black person in "white face" offensive nor do we have such a dark disgusting history of treatment of yts. Yts have orchested the dismantaling of every other ethnicity on the planets pride, culture, and self image with blacks having suffered far beyond any other. So jokes or not I see them as internalized fears, stereotypes, and behaviors that they can convinently and convertly broadcast to their medium. Which results in more copying and more direct dehumanizing or black ppl and our culture.
:uhh:
Niggas why are yall booking like this
:takeallofme:
Quote from: 'ology on February 14, 2019, 10:20:48 AM
Black ppl have never had the social dominance in western cultures to make a black person in "white face" offensive nor do we have such a dark disgusting history of treatment of yts. Yts have orchested the dismantaling of every other ethnicity on the planets pride, culture, and self image with blacks having suffered far beyond any other. So jokes or not I see them as internalized fears, stereotypes, and behaviors that they can convinently and convertly broadcast to their medium. Which results in more copying and more direct dehumanizing or black ppl and our culture.
ackaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Quote from: Chokeme Politely on February 14, 2019, 03:24:18 AM
Don?t see the problem when it?s comedy
Was white chicks racists?
:whogonbook:
"I don't see anything wrong with this"
you really find out how STUPID people are when stuff like this comes out
Quote from: 'ology on February 14, 2019, 10:20:48 AM
Black ppl have never had the social dominance in western cultures to make a black person in "white face" offensive nor do we have such a dark disgusting history of treatment of yts. Yts have orchested the dismantaling of every other ethnicity on the planets pride, culture, and self image with blacks having suffered far beyond any other. So jokes or not I see them as internalized fears, stereotypes, and behaviors that they can convinently and convertly broadcast to their medium. Which results in more copying and more direct dehumanizing or black ppl and our culture.
choke was fuckin thrashed :plzstop:
Quote from: ZAIYE on February 14, 2019, 04:01:51 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 03:59:14 AM
Quote from: NAOMI!!! on February 14, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
Whiteface isn't rooted in racism or does it have the history Blackface does.
Blackface was invented by white actors to portray black people by wearing tattered clothes and exaggerated our features to look stereotypically "black." It started off by mimicking enslaved Africans on Southern plantations, depicting black people as lazy, ignorant, cowardly or hypersexual, stereotypes which still harm us and limit us today.
Two different things people.
I get this. I guess I just think it shouldn't be done in general because i think if we do it it's almost like a free pass for someone else to follow that behavior. I think respect should be given all around. Blackface and what the wayans did in white chicks is pretty much the same thing isn't it? One group of people taking what they think are stereotypical characteristics of another people and making a joke out of it. A caricatured version of a group of people
All of this. By doing what they're doing, we're no better than them.
This would be valid if Blacks & Whites were on equal footing, but clearly the rules are different for each.
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52598698_10156912278153745_8041985417450356736_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=a2f82a8b52f94873e0eb30df3ee8bb67&oe=5CF68E35)
lol
At the end of the day the man Nick is defending sat across from a group of white men and let them call him a nigger
I bet he thought the black face mess was a kiii
where did nick defend chris?
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 04:11:49 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 03:49:42 AM
Choke, funny enough Nick addressed this on his insta
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtsYAvWhhC3/
QuotenickcannonTEACHABLE MOMENT: America, There is NO such thing as ?WhiteFace? just like there is no such thing as ?Reverse Racism?. BlackFace and Racism are rooted in and are byproducts of the Institutionalized Oppression of a subjugated people. The racist and severely damaging ?Jim Crow laws? received its name from the BLackface minstrel movement of the 19th century and proceeds to cause pain to this day. A constant reminder that People of color are looked at as second class citizens in this country. Now when you look up the standard definition of ?Whiteface? all you will find is an elite Ski Resort in Upstate NY. This is not a Tit-for-Tat argument. These are FACTS. These recent revealings of people painting themselves black or brown and speaking in broken slang in an attempt to be humorous or have fun; as if our culture is some sort of party trick or costume is unacceptable. Along with @Gucci @Prada @Moncler and any other companies or corporations who wish to exploit our pain. Racism is when an ?elite? group uses its systemic power to enforce harm, hardship, and pain on others. If you don?t understand this, then it probably means you are or benefit from that elite group of privileged oppressors that we speak of.
ROUND 1 goes to : THE CULTURE ?? Holla at me!!!
I had to come back and read this and I really do understand and agree with everything. I just try to take myself out of the equation and think about everyone and I get how someone would be like so it's cool for you to mock me but I'm racist if I mock u. It's a lil unfair, but shit the world is full of double standards and inconsistencies so :letsmessfag:
:sistas:
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, not all "blackface" is offensive/meant with ill-intent.
Quote from: BowDown on February 15, 2019, 10:19:43 AM
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, not all "blackface" is offensive/meant with ill-intent.
sdsdddddddffffgfggfgfffffff
Come back with a bang then queen
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 15, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: BowDown on February 15, 2019, 10:19:43 AM
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, not all "blackface" is offensive/meant with ill-intent.
sdsdddddddffffgfggfgfffffff
Come back with a bang then queen
xcxcxccccccccccc
:letsmessfag:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 15, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: BowDown on February 15, 2019, 10:19:43 AM
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, not all "blackface" is offensive/meant with ill-intent.
sdsdddddddffffgfggfgfffffff
Come back with a bang then queen
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
This wouldn?t be as offensive if Fallon didn?t make a generalization about black people in his skit or if Kimmel didn?t try speaking in slang. Both are poking fun at black people while posing as one, doesn?t sound much different from blackface to me.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 03:27:48 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Btv45drhonY/
I had no Idea Nick was out here really speaking a word.
Ack!!! :loose2when:
This thread is turning me on
Quote from: BowDown on February 15, 2019, 10:19:43 AM
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, not all "blackface" is offensive/meant with ill-intent.
n
Try harder
This isn't offensive, just try hard
Bitch
Quote from: Glock on February 14, 2019, 10:01:36 AM
Quote from: Temper on February 14, 2019, 03:51:22 AM
There's no comparison between blackface and whiteface. Only one has a nasty historical context and was used to opress people. White people have never been oppressed, so whiteface isn't offensive. And if it is, oh well lol!
All I know is do onto others as you'd want done to you. No more n-words, white jokes, wearing whiteface, etc. At this point we should all just go back into segregation........................
This shit is late to me. Maybe it's my ignorance but I don't get offended by any of this unless it's blatant like calling someone a nigger or a noose mess. Something vivid.