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but there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

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Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

It's just disappointing. Seems like a defense mechanism for Tichina so she doesn't throw anyone under the bush so I def get it. She didn't seem malicious as she jokingly tried to dismiss the claims which is ironic because that's how the jokes were rooted.

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but there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

View this post on Instagram

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

throw anyone under the bush

Bush or bus?

 

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but there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

View this post on Instagram

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

throw anyone under the bush

Bush or bus?

 

You see the difference between you and I is how I don't try to gaslight and try to argue that "bush" is the correct saying. My phone autocorrected.

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Would def love to throw you under a burning bush tho.

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but there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

View this post on Instagram

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

throw anyone under the bush

Bush or bus?

 

You see the difference between you and I is how I don't try to gaslight and try to argue that "bush" is the correct saying. My phone autocorrected.

Oh there's a BIG difference but that's not it. You've admitted how dumb you are in this instance, it's not your norm tho 

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Bad bitches, yea, I keep em by the two.

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One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

Tichina doesn't feel victimized because she was 100% down with all the mess and gave what she got.

This is not to say other Black women watching and hearing those jokes wouldn't be offended. 2 things can be true

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One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

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someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

as Black people how do we NOT get this?

it's not to say Martin is evil or that he was even malicious in his intent. but it's just UNDERSTANDING why women like Erika Alexander and Ari are like "Wait a min....    "

that's all. it costs NOTHING to just try to understand.

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One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

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One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.

even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?

like am i in the fucking twilight zone?

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someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

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someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex