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i 100% believe there was no malicious intent from Martin

But he kinda needs to speak for himself in saying black people always joked about how we looked

Cuz way before this woke culture there are plenty of us who didn't find calling someone darkie or nappy head to be a kii.

Even back to my grandparents - I woulda got a lashing if they found me making jokes like that.  I woulda been picking my glasses up off the floor.

So this narrative needs to stop. It's an easy cop out and does nothing to heal very real issues in our community.

I understand SOME of us def found those "jokes"to be funny... so say some. Many of us didn't see the hilarity in someone simply existing with kinky hair.

[RAY7]

Martin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

[Russian Roulette]

Martin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

[RAY7]

Martin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

why bring up "DARKIE!" In this thread when no one was called that?
And there is a difference between having kinky textured hair and your hair being "nappy" or "beadybead"
I mean do we not have billions of dollars in "hair care" with all these different products to moisturize, strengthen, de tangle etc?
Are we all just "natural" now and just go outside with no combing, brushing, shampooing, conditioning or anything to our hair because it's kinky?
Are we ready to really dig in to this conversation? Because Martin was not just saying "nappy" literally because Tichina is a black woman, and not all Black women (not including bi-racials) on that show was called that

[Russian Roulette]

Martin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

why bring up "DARKIE!" In this thread when no one was called that?
And there is a difference between having kinky textured hair and your hair being "nappy" or "beadybead"
I mean do we not have billions of dollars in "hair care" with all these different products to moisturize, strengthen, de tangle etc?
Are we all just "natural" now and just go outside with no combing, brushing, shampooing, conditioning or anything to our hair because it's kinky?
Are we ready to really dig in to this conversation? Because Martin was not just saying "nappy" literally because Tichina is a black woman, and not all Black women (not including bi-racials) on that show was called that

are u gonna ask Tichina why she mentioned "reverse colorism" in her response ?

we're all mentioning color and colorism because it falls under the umbrella of the topic at hand. why are you getting so worked up about that?

there are clear correlations which everyone including Tichina have acknowledged and spoken on in depth.

[RAY7]

Martin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

why bring up "DARKIE!" In this thread when no one was called that?
And there is a difference between having kinky textured hair and your hair being "nappy" or "beadybead"
I mean do we not have billions of dollars in "hair care" with all these different products to moisturize, strengthen, de tangle etc?
Are we all just "natural" now and just go outside with no combing, brushing, shampooing, conditioning or anything to our hair because it's kinky?
Are we ready to really dig in to this conversation? Because Martin was not just saying "nappy" literally because Tichina is a black woman, and not all Black women (not including bi-racials) on that show was called that

are u gonna ask Tichina why she mentioned "reverse colorism" in her response ?

we're all mentioning color and colorism because it falls under the umbrella of the topic at hand. why are you getting so worked up about that?

there are clear correlations which everyone including Tichina have acknowledged and spoken on in depth.

Tichina apologized for bringing up reverse colorism because that isn't a thing
So are you going to apologize too because getting called "darkie" wasn't a thing either on that show?

[Russian Roulette]

Martin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

why bring up "DARKIE!" In this thread when no one was called that?
And there is a difference between having kinky textured hair and your hair being "nappy" or "beadybead"
I mean do we not have billions of dollars in "hair care" with all these different products to moisturize, strengthen, de tangle etc?
Are we all just "natural" now and just go outside with no combing, brushing, shampooing, conditioning or anything to our hair because it's kinky?
Are we ready to really dig in to this conversation? Because Martin was not just saying "nappy" literally because Tichina is a black woman, and not all Black women (not including bi-racials) on that show was called that

are u gonna ask Tichina why she mentioned "reverse colorism" in her response ?

we're all mentioning color and colorism because it falls under the umbrella of the topic at hand. why are you getting so worked up about that?

there are clear correlations which everyone including Tichina have acknowledged and spoken on in depth.

Tichina apologized for bringing up reverse colorism because that isn't a thing
So are you going to apologize too because getting called "darkie" wasn't a thing either on that show?

I don't have to apologize for saying something I never fucking said

like wtf

am i in the twilight zone?

[Russian Roulette]

pretty sure i also mentioned "gorilla" and "monkey" in here

doesn't mean i am accusing Martin of saying those specific things (although I CANNOT guarantee he didn't - since calling Pam all types of animals/beasts was part of his VERY specific "joke" routine for her)

i am simply giving examples Ray. as they relate to this larger conversation.
examples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

[RAY7]

It seems that you feel "darkie" is the same thing as "nappy" and all of these terms are what Martin meant when he said "that's how we joke"
Is that correct?

[Russian Roulette]

It seems that you feel "darkie" is the same thing as "nappy" and all of these terms are what Martin meant when he said "that's how we joke"
Is that correct?

yes i feel it's not acceptable to make fun of someone simply looking Black, regardless of which facet of Blackness is being referenced

so i am gonna group those things all under the same umbrella.

i hope that makes sense Ray. cuz ur scaring me

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[RAY7]

examples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

[RAY7]

It seems that you feel "darkie" is the same thing as "nappy" and all of these terms are what Martin meant when he said "that's how we joke"
Is that correct?

yes i feel it's not acceptable to make fun of someone simply looking Black, regardless of which facet of Blackness is being referenced

so i am gonna group those things all under the same umbrella.

i hope that makes sense Ray. cuz ur scaring me

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well, you feel that it's possible for a Black person to have a "bad hair day"? Something that looks unkempt as far as society is concerned?

[Russian Roulette]

examples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them. but yes. it happens Ray.

[RAY7]

examples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

[Russian Roulette]

like wtf is SO hilarious about a Black person looking Black?
as in: having an appearance that naturally occurs in Black people?

beady beads! midnight! dark! 

like.....somebody dial up HBO cuz this is comedy GOLD!