People still use this excuse?

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Kurama

Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 06, 2017, 10:48:57 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
What page was it where the gor asked me if we're all homophobic if we cringe with disdain at obnoxious nasty flaming fags who make us all look bad? Because the answer is yes gor. If all it takes is a bit of disdain, a sliver of judgement, and a dollup of prejudice, the answer is yes. And like I said Ive seen almost every fag perched in here talking about homophobia turn their noses up at a dramatic ass flamboyant fag. Yall homophobic asses have lots of nerve.
That was me not a 'y'all'

Not sure why you're even saying any of this because you'll never see me saying I don't approve of some faggotry

Is this an attempt to group everyone because you know what you're saying makes little sense?

Bottom line: They don't use

Are you saying the people who are bothered by the generalizations are making generalizations?


FlowerBomb

You guys are TALKING today huh
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Aamerie.

Quote from: Kurama on January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 05, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 05, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Stereotypes had nothing to do with the point

That's just a common thing racist say, 'you're not like the others lol'

The same way some homoohobe would say "I don't agree with who you are as a human being, but I love you anyway because I pity you or some weird shit that I can't explain"

It's disgusting. I'd hate to have a relationship with someone who told me they didn't agree with who I was.

Cant relate to ya'll. In my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint but I'm very sure they arent homophobes in any form. One in particular took interest in just wanting to learn more about that part of me. The worst they do is misunderstand. That is enough for me to find truth in the original post. I'm acknowledging that it's possible because Ive experienced it. You all are claiming it's impossible because you're cynical and accept blanket statements.

Sounds like you've had various reactions when you did decide to come out to people. Not sure where this "yall" thing is coming from, none of us have really shared our coming out experiences in the thread for you to disassociate your experiences from everyone elses.

Also, it really just seems like we all have different definitions of "acceptance" or "love". Acceptance or love is unconditional imo. It's not something that has fine print attached to it. To accept someone is to fully be comfortable and receptive of whatever it is being offered.

No one on here can speak about those various reactions, how I interpreted them, the sincerity of, or the dynamic between myself and those individuals. You have people, yourself included, telling me what Ive settled for in terms of love and acceptance when it isnt your experience. So no, I cant relate to yall because this isnt something youve felt. All I here is "IF my mom did this" or "IF a friend said that" all this hypothetical mess. What about your real lives girls or is everyone still in the damns closet. Maybe through these individual exchanges is where people learn about acceptance  and unconditional love. For example a roommate I had became privvy to my mess, and his first words were "Well I dont necessarily agree with it but..." Weeks later he became inquisitive asking if I ever feel boxed in or unable to live freely and things like that. genuinely. Years later when we catch up he's asking about my love life and everything is everything its bro this, bro that. That isnt tolerance. He didnt HAVE to try to understand me, but he did because he cared, he loved, he learned, and grew. It. is. possible. And thats all Ive been saying.


Aamerie.

Quote from: Drais. on January 06, 2017, 10:53:34 AM
Quote from: Kurama on January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 05, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 05, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Stereotypes had nothing to do with the point

That's just a common thing racist say, 'you're not like the others lol'

The same way some homoohobe would say "I don't agree with who you are as a human being, but I love you anyway because I pity you or some weird shit that I can't explain"

It's disgusting. I'd hate to have a relationship with someone who told me they didn't agree with who I was.

Cant relate to ya'll. In my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint but I'm very sure they arent homophobes in any form. One in particular took interest in just wanting to learn more about that part of me. The worst they do is misunderstand. That is enough for me to find truth in the original post. I'm acknowledging that it's possible because Ive experienced it. You all are claiming it's impossible because you're cynical and accept blanket statements.

To say "I don't agree with the way you exist but I love you" isn't acceptance...it's TOLERANCE. That's something drastically different and Its unfortunate that some of you seem to have settled for this or believe it's what genuine acceptance looks like.

!!!!

But lengthy relationships! Forming pacts!

Like I work and interact with people everyday that disgust me but I'm obviously gonna keep it cute. That is called tolerating their shit.

How these gurs trying to defend people that tolerate them at best is weird as fck to me.     


You HAVE to be nice to customers. This doesnt work.


Aamerie.

Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 06, 2017, 10:48:57 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
What page was it where the gor asked me if we're all homophobic if we cringe with disdain at obnoxious nasty flaming fags who make us all look bad? Because the answer is yes gor. If all it takes is a bit of disdain, a sliver of judgement, and a dollup of prejudice, the answer is yes. And like I said Ive seen almost every fag perched in here talking about homophobia turn their noses up at a dramatic ass flamboyant fag. Yall homophobic asses have lots of nerve.

Is this an attempt to group everyone because you know what you're saying makes little sense?

Wow because thats what youve been doing for 19 pages. Who did you just try to read, me or you?


LOONA.

Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 11:00:41 AM
Quote from: Drais. on January 06, 2017, 10:53:34 AM
Quote from: Kurama on January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 05, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 05, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Stereotypes had nothing to do with the point

That's just a common thing racist say, 'you're not like the others lol'

The same way some homoohobe would say "I don't agree with who you are as a human being, but I love you anyway because I pity you or some weird shit that I can't explain"

It's disgusting. I'd hate to have a relationship with someone who told me they didn't agree with who I was.

Cant relate to ya'll. In my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint but I'm very sure they arent homophobes in any form. One in particular took interest in just wanting to learn more about that part of me. The worst they do is misunderstand. That is enough for me to find truth in the original post. I'm acknowledging that it's possible because Ive experienced it. You all are claiming it's impossible because you're cynical and accept blanket statements.

To say "I don't agree with the way you exist but I love you" isn't acceptance...it's TOLERANCE. That's something drastically different and Its unfortunate that some of you seem to have settled for this or believe it's what genuine acceptance looks like.

!!!!

But lengthy relationships! Forming pacts!

Like I work and interact with people everyday that disgust me but I'm obviously gonna keep it cute. That is called tolerating their shit.

How these gurs trying to defend people that tolerate them at best is weird as fck to me.     


You HAVE to be nice to customers. This doesnt work.

I don't work in retail or a facility that's open to civilians. I'm talking about coworkers and I don't HAVE to bother with them period but again, TOLERANCE.       

LOONA.

Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Kurama on January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 05, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 05, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Stereotypes had nothing to do with the point

That's just a common thing racist say, 'you're not like the others lol'

The same way some homoohobe would say "I don't agree with who you are as a human being, but I love you anyway because I pity you or some weird shit that I can't explain"

It's disgusting. I'd hate to have a relationship with someone who told me they didn't agree with who I was.

Cant relate to ya'll. In my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint but I'm very sure they arent homophobes in any form. One in particular took interest in just wanting to learn more about that part of me. The worst they do is misunderstand. That is enough for me to find truth in the original post. I'm acknowledging that it's possible because Ive experienced it. You all are claiming it's impossible because you're cynical and accept blanket statements.

Sounds like you've had various reactions when you did decide to come out to people. Not sure where this "yall" thing is coming from, none of us have really shared our coming out experiences in the thread for you to disassociate your experiences from everyone elses.

Also, it really just seems like we all have different definitions of "acceptance" or "love". Acceptance or love is unconditional imo. It's not something that has fine print attached to it. To accept someone is to fully be comfortable and receptive of whatever it is being offered.
Weeks later he became inquisitive asking if I ever feel boxed in or unable to live freely and things like that. genuinely.

You've never had a conversation with someone you didn't really care for and ask questions just to pass time and keep the mess going?   

Kurama

Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Kurama on January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 05, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 05, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Stereotypes had nothing to do with the point

That's just a common thing racist say, 'you're not like the others lol'

The same way some homoohobe would say "I don't agree with who you are as a human being, but I love you anyway because I pity you or some weird shit that I can't explain"

It's disgusting. I'd hate to have a relationship with someone who told me they didn't agree with who I was.

Cant relate to ya'll. In my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint but I'm very sure they arent homophobes in any form. One in particular took interest in just wanting to learn more about that part of me. The worst they do is misunderstand. That is enough for me to find truth in the original post. I'm acknowledging that it's possible because Ive experienced it. You all are claiming it's impossible because you're cynical and accept blanket statements.

Sounds like you've had various reactions when you did decide to come out to people. Not sure where this "yall" thing is coming from, none of us have really shared our coming out experiences in the thread for you to disassociate your experiences from everyone elses.

Also, it really just seems like we all have different definitions of "acceptance" or "love". Acceptance or love is unconditional imo. It's not something that has fine print attached to it. To accept someone is to fully be comfortable and receptive of whatever it is being offered.

No one on here can speak about those various reactions, how I interpreted them, the sincerity of, or the dynamic between myself and those individuals. You have people, yourself included, telling me what Ive settled for in terms of love and acceptance when it isnt your experience. So no, I cant relate to yall because this isnt something youve felt. All I here is "IF my mom did this" or "IF a friend said that" all this hypothetical mess. What about your real lives girls or is everyone still in the damns closet. Maybe through these individual exchanges is where people learn about acceptance  and unconditional love. For example a roommate I had became privvy to my mess, and his first words were "Well I dont necessarily agree with it but..." Weeks later he became inquisitive asking if I ever feel boxed in or unable to live freely and things like that. genuinely. Years later when we catch up he's asking about my love life and everything is everything its bro this, bro that. That isnt tolerance. He didnt HAVE to try to understand me, but he did because he cared, he loved, he learned, and grew. It. is. possible. And thats all Ive been saying.

Lonz, I made that statement because you said this:


QuoteIn my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint


Either way, I guess I presumed that if you were coming out to them you obviously already had a loving relationship or some form of bond with them. I agree that our experiences look different. I received acceptance immediately after coming out.

Honestly, it still sounds like tolerance that grows into acceptance(of Lonz) over the years. I was gonna make some points but I don't think we're gonna agree. I agree learning & growing is possible tho.

Real

Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Maybe through these individual exchanges is where people learn about acceptance  and unconditional love. For example a roommate I had became privvy to my mess, and his first words were "Well I dont necessarily agree with it but..." Weeks later he became inquisitive asking if I ever feel boxed in or unable to live freely and things like that. genuinely. Years later when we catch up he's asking about my love life and everything is everything its bro this, bro that. That isnt tolerance. He didnt HAVE to try to understand me, but he did because he cared, he loved, he learned, and grew. It. is. possible. And thats all Ive been saying.

That's dope.

pettypatty


Aamerie.

Quote from: Drais. on January 06, 2017, 11:04:33 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Kurama on January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 05, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 05, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Stereotypes had nothing to do with the point

That's just a common thing racist say, 'you're not like the others lol'

The same way some homoohobe would say "I don't agree with who you are as a human being, but I love you anyway because I pity you or some weird shit that I can't explain"

It's disgusting. I'd hate to have a relationship with someone who told me they didn't agree with who I was.

Cant relate to ya'll. In my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint but I'm very sure they arent homophobes in any form. One in particular took interest in just wanting to learn more about that part of me. The worst they do is misunderstand. That is enough for me to find truth in the original post. I'm acknowledging that it's possible because Ive experienced it. You all are claiming it's impossible because you're cynical and accept blanket statements.

Sounds like you've had various reactions when you did decide to come out to people. Not sure where this "yall" thing is coming from, none of us have really shared our coming out experiences in the thread for you to disassociate your experiences from everyone elses.

Also, it really just seems like we all have different definitions of "acceptance" or "love". Acceptance or love is unconditional imo. It's not something that has fine print attached to it. To accept someone is to fully be comfortable and receptive of whatever it is being offered.
Weeks later he became inquisitive asking if I ever feel boxed in or unable to live freely and things like that. genuinely.

You've never had a conversation with someone you didn't really care for and ask questions just to pass time and keep the mess going?   

You never!!!?

you ever???!

you think he just meant??!!

are you certain they just...??!!!

Guys  :kii:

This is what I mean about you not knowing the dynamic between myself and people Ive had experiences with. We dont operate like that. He never fkn talked to me to pass time n




pettypatty

Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 11:10:19 AM
Quote from: Drais. on January 06, 2017, 11:04:33 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Kurama on January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 05, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 05, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Stereotypes had nothing to do with the point

That's just a common thing racist say, 'you're not like the others lol'

The same way some homoohobe would say "I don't agree with who you are as a human being, but I love you anyway because I pity you or some weird shit that I can't explain"

It's disgusting. I'd hate to have a relationship with someone who told me they didn't agree with who I was.

Cant relate to ya'll. In my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint but I'm very sure they arent homophobes in any form. One in particular took interest in just wanting to learn more about that part of me. The worst they do is misunderstand. That is enough for me to find truth in the original post. I'm acknowledging that it's possible because Ive experienced it. You all are claiming it's impossible because you're cynical and accept blanket statements.

Sounds like you've had various reactions when you did decide to come out to people. Not sure where this "yall" thing is coming from, none of us have really shared our coming out experiences in the thread for you to disassociate your experiences from everyone elses.

Also, it really just seems like we all have different definitions of "acceptance" or "love". Acceptance or love is unconditional imo. It's not something that has fine print attached to it. To accept someone is to fully be comfortable and receptive of whatever it is being offered.
Weeks later he became inquisitive asking if I ever feel boxed in or unable to live freely and things like that. genuinely.

You've never had a conversation with someone you didn't really care for and ask questions just to pass time and keep the mess going?   

You never!!!?

you ever???!

you think he just meant??!!

are you certain they just...??!!!

Guys  :kii:

This is what I mean about you not knowing the dynamic between myself and people Ive had experiences with. We dont operate like that. He never fkn talked to me to pass time n
ffffff

LOONA.

Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 11:10:19 AM
Quote from: Drais. on January 06, 2017, 11:04:33 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Kurama on January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 05, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on January 05, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Stereotypes had nothing to do with the point

That's just a common thing racist say, 'you're not like the others lol'

The same way some homoohobe would say "I don't agree with who you are as a human being, but I love you anyway because I pity you or some weird shit that I can't explain"

It's disgusting. I'd hate to have a relationship with someone who told me they didn't agree with who I was.

Cant relate to ya'll. In my experience there have been people I've "come out" to, people with whom Ive had lengthy relationships with who may not get why I do what I do, and disagree yes probably from a religious standpoint but I'm very sure they arent homophobes in any form. One in particular took interest in just wanting to learn more about that part of me. The worst they do is misunderstand. That is enough for me to find truth in the original post. I'm acknowledging that it's possible because Ive experienced it. You all are claiming it's impossible because you're cynical and accept blanket statements.

Sounds like you've had various reactions when you did decide to come out to people. Not sure where this "yall" thing is coming from, none of us have really shared our coming out experiences in the thread for you to disassociate your experiences from everyone elses.

Also, it really just seems like we all have different definitions of "acceptance" or "love". Acceptance or love is unconditional imo. It's not something that has fine print attached to it. To accept someone is to fully be comfortable and receptive of whatever it is being offered.
Weeks later he became inquisitive asking if I ever feel boxed in or unable to live freely and things like that. genuinely.

You've never had a conversation with someone you didn't really care for and ask questions just to pass time and keep the mess going?   

You never!!!?

you ever???!

you think he just meant??!!

are you certain they just...??!!!

Guys  :kii:

This is what I mean about you not knowing the dynamic between myself and people Ive had experiences with. We dont operate like that. He never fkn talked to me to pass time n

Girl for all I know this is a fairytale.

You keep harping on about your experiences but state where anybody in this thread ever said religious people don't possess the ability to be nice or caring? No one is hellbent on getting anyone to accept the term homophobia because at the end of the day no matter how much your friend or anybody else checks up on you from time to time their beliefs are rooted in intolerance and ignorance.

But a hey bro to you too.

     


Eternal Bell

Quote from: Real on January 06, 2017, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 06, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Maybe through these individual exchanges is where people learn about acceptance  and unconditional love. For example a roommate I had became privvy to my mess, and his first words were "Well I dont necessarily agree with it but..." Weeks later he became inquisitive asking if I ever feel boxed in or unable to live freely and things like that. genuinely. Years later when we catch up he's asking about my love life and everything is everything its bro this, bro that. That isnt tolerance. He didnt HAVE to try to understand me, but he did because he cared, he loved, he learned, and grew. It. is. possible. And thats all Ive been saying.

That's dope.
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