Quote from: i got Black in my family on October 17, 2018, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: Young on October 17, 2018, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: i got Black in my family on October 17, 2018, 09:08:16 PM
But, you were downplaying the feat as if it wouldn't count as much since she did more "pop" music.
She wasn't as "urban" as Shim or Missy.... both of whom were pop culture icons.
But, we have Monica swearing up and down how "real" and R&B she is and she's no stranger to a Richard Marx remake.
So, is it as impressive or NOT that she hit those numbers? Or should we not pay it that much mind or give her that many props for her accomplishments AS an R&B artist since she dipped into a different sound?
Or, is she an R&B artist who happened to experiment and go into different lanes AS an R&B artist?
Sis I wasn?t arguing about technicalities and what to count or not
I brought up Nicki doing pop simply to make the point that her bubbly fun songs helped get her a wider audience . Hence them being her biggest songs . That?s why her numbers were massive. Missy and Kim were crossed over but they weren?t doing bubble gum sing alongs
Boom ba doom doom bass! I mean 
I?m not saying it takes anything from her . But she was smart and strategic about how to reach the masses from jump. That?s what helped her numbers become so massive.
All this Monica mess is irrelevant tbh
When you do pop of course it?s easier for them to become hits and garner sales. I never said anything was wrong with it
Yes, you were trying to take away from the fact that Nicki's debut was the highest selling first week for a female rapper ever.
It was very "Yeah, BUT....." That's detraction. "Not really doe, cuz......" is taking away from her a bit whether you realize it or not.
And yes Monica is relevant because if someone were to say "Monica was such a successful R&B artist with so many hits" - of course they're measuring her success based on the compared success of others who were in THAT lane of R&B. So if someone were to say "Yeah she was more successful than Lil Mo I guess BUT she did more pop stuff, so that's why she sold more. Lil Mo is more gutta and ghetto lolz ", that would be a) saying that Monica doesn't REALLY deserve that recognition by b) saying that she wasn't "REALLY" an R&B artist.
Your guess is that "pop" singles helped Nicki's album sales and that's fine but, her debut first week was still the best for a female rapper. I'm sorry but if there's any buts or not really cuz...'s that follow that statement, it's detraction.
This whole statement you made is based on the assumption that I was detracting from Nicki?s success or numbers when I wasn?t. Sorry it may sound that way to you but I wasn?t . In fact, I said it was smart how she played her career. She dabbled in different sounds. One being POP. They were her biggest hits and that was smart.
Monica has done the same. But what does she have to do with this?
We can both agree that doing ?Popular? music will help gain you ?popularity? or atleast expose you to a much wider audience. That?s what those particular Nicki songs were and did.
Nothing wrong with it .
However that heavily contributes to her sales and fan base. And that?s not a detraction that?s an explanation on why someone was so successful .
