Question for those of us here that believe in God...

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hotep.

Quote from: ANIMMAI on December 04, 2018, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: BowDown on December 04, 2018, 05:07:43 PM
I think black people did so horrible things a very, very long time ago and they?re being punished today.

Well how long ago were the horrible things because four hundred years of suffering seems like overkill  :uhh:

My question is when is it the whites turn?

Young

Quote from: stormcaster. on December 05, 2018, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 11:18:50 AM
Do tell

Well for the first time in my life, I feel completely fulfilled.

I was at a house party of a friend I have recently reconciled with, I was sat with my new bae and jokes were being cracked and I was screaminggggggg and got lightheaded and then my life flashed before my eyes, it was like my brain hit rewind, I saw sunflowers (which I planted when I was three), I was in my Mum?s arms and I was looking up at her face and then I was in what I believe to be the womb, I was inside something and saw the colours black, blue and brown (ironically these were the colours I chose to pain my bedroom when I was 14). I then saw a deity like being and he kinda looked a bit like me.  :dead: He was so peaceful and had a soothing smile, then I was sent back but was in a dark room with blue crystals on one side and green crystals on the other and I had to choose which one I?d follow (I went with the blue crystals). Then I was back in the room and staring into my boyfriends eyes and I just became overwhelmed and took him outside and asked him what happened...he said I was just looking into his eyes for 30 seconds (It felt like 2 hours). I started crying as I told him what happened, I even thought I had died...but I wasn?t scared because during the whole 30 seconds ( :uhh: n ) I was at complete peace.

It was the most surreal experience of my life.

This sounds sooooo beautiful

Wow


Young

Quote from: L0NZ. on December 05, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on December 04, 2018, 10:25:56 PM
It?s like we want to be so special. Our brains can?t, or don?t want to fathom that one day it?s CAPUT!

Just like that deer mess on the side of the road. You?re different because your species has higher intelligence?

We want to believe that we won?t have to die. So God! Afterlife! Eternity! And it?s that very intelligence that put that all together.


But gir.

n

Who?s to say those animals aren?t going some where or come back as something else?
Because even if you want to play blind and not believe in God you have to believe in energy just based off science.

When someone says energy manifests into something else I?m not thinking you?re ?coming back? as a butterfly. You?re probably just going to be dirt, which grows plants, which feeds some animals. And in that case yes you become a part of something else but not in the sense that you actually ?came back as something else.? That ?energy? is called matter and is quite literal to me. And that?s really based on science.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Because a soul leaves a body doesn?t mean it becomes nothing ; it means the body was no longer suitable for it to inhabit, and it moves on.

First one would have to agree that a soul leaves the body, or even inhabits the body at all. So the question becomes what?s a soul/conscience. When someone is unconscious, they are not aware. Not because they aren?t spiritual or religious, but because their brain literally isn?t functioning due to it becoming less active during sleep, or as a result of an injury. Both circumstances involve the brain. A physical, proven form with proven functions. So what is your soul? What is your conscience? The part of you that ?feels?? The part of you that exists outside of your body? How do you describe that? Does it control your emotions and allow you to exercise integrity and goodness? Does your soul grant you memory, perception and reason, enable you to experience guilt, shame, and hatred....or are these all just functions of the brain? I?m the type of person to go with the power of the brain. It really just makes sense to me.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
With knowing that ; and how infinite the universe is, as it?s ever expanding, one could logically assume there is an ?afterlife? or different existence that take place after life on Earth and perhaps even before.

I honestly don?t think that assumption is logical at all. It?s a faithful assumption. I feel like ?afterlife? is a pretty word used in religion to paint the ?heaven? picture. I don?t think there?s other lives where souls exist. And that goes back to having trouble distinguishing between conscience and brain function. It kinda pains me to say but I?m willing to accept that than to comfort myself with mess... at this particular point in life.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Which reminds the girls of the Bible statement that we were all with God before we started ; and then dispersed; meaning we are all his ?children?

Knowing that there has to be a single point; an energy source, that started and sparked life, why not call it God ?

You?re confusing with religion and their version of what ?God? is to them ; many fallacies and human like qualities that an infiniate source of Love would not posses. I would always advice the girls to find what ?God? is to them.

Yea I was responding to the religious girs questioning prayers, and their God being fair and just. They weren?t talking about energy or cases where people found what God is to them outside of religion. There?s no confusion there. I am confused that you referenced the Bible to explain energy sources and dispersement from a spiritualist angle. Also, what is ?love? in this ?infinite source of love? phrase? You can?t say human-like qualities given to God are fallacies then say he?sit?s an infinite source of love. So it must be a metaphor right?

You?re doing a lot of assumptions for the sake of disagrement though love
Or at least it appears that way I should say

Now if you personally and truly have as little faith in anything but your brain then I don?t know what to tell you.

Many people don?t operate that way and can at least tell and feel the difference between a brain and a soul. One is the tool that allows conciousness and understanding while the other is the one experiencing it.

You seems to not truly be in touch with the bigger picture and rather rely on logic and merely science and what your brain is able To determine from that.

That?s fine .

We can agree to disagree luv


KingOfHearts

Quote from: dat ticklez on December 05, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: KingOfHearts on December 05, 2018, 12:51:29 PM
Satan is the ruler of this world
:usureuok:

It?s quoted in the Bible at 1st John 5:19 the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one who is Satan.
My Queens!!

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Quote from: L0NZ. on December 05, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on December 04, 2018, 10:25:56 PM
It?s like we want to be so special. Our brains can?t, or don?t want to fathom that one day it?s CAPUT!

Just like that deer mess on the side of the road. You?re different because your species has higher intelligence?

We want to believe that we won?t have to die. So God! Afterlife! Eternity! And it?s that very intelligence that put that all together.


But gir.

n

Who?s to say those animals aren?t going some where or come back as something else?
Because even if you want to play blind and not believe in God you have to believe in energy just based off science.

When someone says energy manifests into something else I?m not thinking you?re ?coming back? as a butterfly. You?re probably just going to be dirt, which grows plants, which feeds some animals. And in that case yes you become a part of something else but not in the sense that you actually ?came back as something else.? That ?energy? is called matter and is quite literal to me. And that?s really based on science.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Because a soul leaves a body doesn?t mean it becomes nothing ; it means the body was no longer suitable for it to inhabit, and it moves on.

First one would have to agree that a soul leaves the body, or even inhabits the body at all. So the question becomes what?s a soul/conscience. When someone is unconscious, they are not aware. Not because they aren?t spiritual or religious, but because their brain literally isn?t functioning due to it becoming less active during sleep, or as a result of an injury. Both circumstances involve the brain. A physical, proven form with proven functions. So what is your soul? What is your conscience? The part of you that ?feels?? The part of you that exists outside of your body? How do you describe that? Does it control your emotions and allow you to exercise integrity and goodness? Does your soul grant you memory, perception and reason, enable you to experience guilt, shame, and hatred....or are these all just functions of the brain? I?m the type of person to go with the power of the brain. It really just makes sense to me.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
With knowing that ; and how infinite the universe is, as it?s ever expanding, one could logically assume there is an ?afterlife? or different existence that take place after life on Earth and perhaps even before.

I honestly don?t think that assumption is logical at all. It?s a faithful assumption. I feel like ?afterlife? is a pretty word used in religion to paint the ?heaven? picture. I don?t think there?s other lives where souls exist. And that goes back to having trouble distinguishing between conscience and brain function. It kinda pains me to say but I?m willing to accept that than to comfort myself with mess... at this particular point in life.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Which reminds the girls of the Bible statement that we were all with God before we started ; and then dispersed; meaning we are all his ?children?

Knowing that there has to be a single point; an energy source, that started and sparked life, why not call it God ?

You?re confusing with religion and their version of what ?God? is to them ; many fallacies and human like qualities that an infiniate source of Love would not posses. I would always advice the girls to find what ?God? is to them.

Yea I was responding to the religious girs questioning prayers, and their God being fair and just. They weren?t talking about energy or cases where people found what God is to them outside of religion. There?s no confusion there. I am confused that you referenced the Bible to explain energy sources and dispersement from a spiritualist angle. Also, what is ?love? in this ?infinite source of love? phrase? You can?t say human-like qualities given to God are fallacies then say he?sit?s an infinite source of love. So it must be a metaphor right?

This THOROUGH lashing :scrumptious:

Young



Nine


L0NZ.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on December 05, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on December 04, 2018, 10:25:56 PM
It?s like we want to be so special. Our brains can?t, or don?t want to fathom that one day it?s CAPUT!

Just like that deer mess on the side of the road. You?re different because your species has higher intelligence?

We want to believe that we won?t have to die. So God! Afterlife! Eternity! And it?s that very intelligence that put that all together.


But gir.

n

Who?s to say those animals aren?t going some where or come back as something else?
Because even if you want to play blind and not believe in God you have to believe in energy just based off science.

When someone says energy manifests into something else I?m not thinking you?re ?coming back? as a butterfly. You?re probably just going to be dirt, which grows plants, which feeds some animals. And in that case yes you become a part of something else but not in the sense that you actually ?came back as something else.? That ?energy? is called matter and is quite literal to me. And that?s really based on science.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Because a soul leaves a body doesn?t mean it becomes nothing ; it means the body was no longer suitable for it to inhabit, and it moves on.

First one would have to agree that a soul leaves the body, or even inhabits the body at all. So the question becomes what?s a soul/conscience. When someone is unconscious, they are not aware. Not because they aren?t spiritual or religious, but because their brain literally isn?t functioning due to it becoming less active during sleep, or as a result of an injury. Both circumstances involve the brain. A physical, proven form with proven functions. So what is your soul? What is your conscience? The part of you that ?feels?? The part of you that exists outside of your body? How do you describe that? Does it control your emotions and allow you to exercise integrity and goodness? Does your soul grant you memory, perception and reason, enable you to experience guilt, shame, and hatred....or are these all just functions of the brain? I?m the type of person to go with the power of the brain. It really just makes sense to me.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
With knowing that ; and how infinite the universe is, as it?s ever expanding, one could logically assume there is an ?afterlife? or different existence that take place after life on Earth and perhaps even before.

I honestly don?t think that assumption is logical at all. It?s a faithful assumption. I feel like ?afterlife? is a pretty word used in religion to paint the ?heaven? picture. I don?t think there?s other lives where souls exist. And that goes back to having trouble distinguishing between conscience and brain function. It kinda pains me to say but I?m willing to accept that than to comfort myself with mess... at this particular point in life.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Which reminds the girls of the Bible statement that we were all with God before we started ; and then dispersed; meaning we are all his ?children?

Knowing that there has to be a single point; an energy source, that started and sparked life, why not call it God ?

You?re confusing with religion and their version of what ?God? is to them ; many fallacies and human like qualities that an infiniate source of Love would not posses. I would always advice the girls to find what ?God? is to them.

Yea I was responding to the religious girs questioning prayers, and their God being fair and just. They weren?t talking about energy or cases where people found what God is to them outside of religion. There?s no confusion there. I am confused that you referenced the Bible to explain energy sources and dispersement from a spiritualist angle. Also, what is ?love? in this ?infinite source of love? phrase? You can?t say human-like qualities given to God are fallacies then say he?sit?s an infinite source of love. So it must be a metaphor right?

You?re doing a lot of assumptions for the sake of disagrement though love
Or at least it appears that way I should say

Now if you personally and truly have as little faith in anything but your brain then I don?t know what to tell you.

Many people don?t operate that way and can at least tell and feel the difference between a brain and a soul. One is the tool that allows conciousness and understanding while the other is the one experiencing it.

You seems to not truly be in touch with the bigger picture and rather rely on logic and merely science and what your brain is able To determine from that.

That?s fine .

We can agree to disagree luv

The ?bigger picture? is an assumption as well tho hun. And you relied on logic and science in your response as well which I pointed out. Your brain just reached beyond that, to the point of illogical things and more power to you.

Your explanation differentiating the brain and the soul could use some expounding, as we experience things that we perceive, through the functions of the brain. It?s the tool that retains the memory of said experience. A soul doing the experiencing is extra. But yea ag? to dis?



Young

Quote from: L0NZ. on December 05, 2018, 02:01:43 PM
Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on December 05, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on December 04, 2018, 10:25:56 PM
It?s like we want to be so special. Our brains can?t, or don?t want to fathom that one day it?s CAPUT!

Just like that deer mess on the side of the road. You?re different because your species has higher intelligence?

We want to believe that we won?t have to die. So God! Afterlife! Eternity! And it?s that very intelligence that put that all together.


But gir.

n

Who?s to say those animals aren?t going some where or come back as something else?
Because even if you want to play blind and not believe in God you have to believe in energy just based off science.

When someone says energy manifests into something else I?m not thinking you?re ?coming back? as a butterfly. You?re probably just going to be dirt, which grows plants, which feeds some animals. And in that case yes you become a part of something else but not in the sense that you actually ?came back as something else.? That ?energy? is called matter and is quite literal to me. And that?s really based on science.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Because a soul leaves a body doesn?t mean it becomes nothing ; it means the body was no longer suitable for it to inhabit, and it moves on.

First one would have to agree that a soul leaves the body, or even inhabits the body at all. So the question becomes what?s a soul/conscience. When someone is unconscious, they are not aware. Not because they aren?t spiritual or religious, but because their brain literally isn?t functioning due to it becoming less active during sleep, or as a result of an injury. Both circumstances involve the brain. A physical, proven form with proven functions. So what is your soul? What is your conscience? The part of you that ?feels?? The part of you that exists outside of your body? How do you describe that? Does it control your emotions and allow you to exercise integrity and goodness? Does your soul grant you memory, perception and reason, enable you to experience guilt, shame, and hatred....or are these all just functions of the brain? I?m the type of person to go with the power of the brain. It really just makes sense to me.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
With knowing that ; and how infinite the universe is, as it?s ever expanding, one could logically assume there is an ?afterlife? or different existence that take place after life on Earth and perhaps even before.

I honestly don?t think that assumption is logical at all. It?s a faithful assumption. I feel like ?afterlife? is a pretty word used in religion to paint the ?heaven? picture. I don?t think there?s other lives where souls exist. And that goes back to having trouble distinguishing between conscience and brain function. It kinda pains me to say but I?m willing to accept that than to comfort myself with mess... at this particular point in life.

Quote from: Young on December 05, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Which reminds the girls of the Bible statement that we were all with God before we started ; and then dispersed; meaning we are all his ?children?

Knowing that there has to be a single point; an energy source, that started and sparked life, why not call it God ?

You?re confusing with religion and their version of what ?God? is to them ; many fallacies and human like qualities that an infiniate source of Love would not posses. I would always advice the girls to find what ?God? is to them.

Yea I was responding to the religious girs questioning prayers, and their God being fair and just. They weren?t talking about energy or cases where people found what God is to them outside of religion. There?s no confusion there. I am confused that you referenced the Bible to explain energy sources and dispersement from a spiritualist angle. Also, what is ?love? in this ?infinite source of love? phrase? You can?t say human-like qualities given to God are fallacies then say he?sit?s an infinite source of love. So it must be a metaphor right?

You?re doing a lot of assumptions for the sake of disagrement though love
Or at least it appears that way I should say

Now if you personally and truly have as little faith in anything but your brain then I don?t know what to tell you.

Many people don?t operate that way and can at least tell and feel the difference between a brain and a soul. One is the tool that allows conciousness and understanding while the other is the one experiencing it.

You seems to not truly be in touch with the bigger picture and rather rely on logic and merely science and what your brain is able To determine from that.

That?s fine .

We can agree to disagree luv

The ?bigger picture? is an assumption as well tho hun. And you relied on logic and science in your response as well which I pointed out. Your brain just reached beyond that, to the point of illogical things and more power to you.

Your explanation differentiating the brain and the soul could use some expounding, as we experience things that we perceive, through the functions of the brain. It?s the tool that retains the memory of said experience. A soul doing the experiencing is extra. But yea ag? to dis?

<3


yummy



Kalifornia.



Monika

Quote from: Kalifornia on December 04, 2018, 04:58:43 PM
Why do you think He allows Black people around the world to be treated so badly?
it's because our ancestors broke the covenant that was made with the Most High. They were suppose to be obedient and follow the laws and commandments, but they broke that. So when The Most High gave the ancestors the land that was promised to them, he told them to kill the heathens and other nations that were not believers because He knew that if these people stayed in the land, that the chosen people would start to take on the evil practices of the other nations, which they did. So, the Most High put a curse (punishment) on his people from generation to generation. So this is what happened in way back in Egypt, and also with the slave trade with we were scattered, and taken from our home.  Yes, certain black people are the real children of Israel. The ones that were in USA, meaning the ones that are descendants of slaves are the real chosen people. We were scattered to many places.

So, yes, he is allowing us to be punished for our ancestors disobedience. But, we today are also disobedient because we don't follow his laws and statues. It's really deep, and i know it can be confusing, but know that we are the real children of Israel, and the people in the bible are actually us.

I don't know if any of you guys go deep in the study like that, but it's some deep stuff. So that kind of touches on the surface of it. if anybody wants to talk, i'm here. Just know, i'm not here to argue with you. i knowthat not all will understand. So, anybody what REALLY want to talk, we can do that.

Peace

Yahudah