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[Herb.]

but this is where they fuck up. Why does he have to be style like fucking Macklemore and be so cunty. This intensifies the discomfort. People will be mad either way, but personally I would have rather him be...........regular.

he's a kid. kids usually behave like this and not "manly".

Who said anything about manly?

Tell me that.

in the commercial he's "cunty" and you would have preferred him to be more "regular".

So you felt like defining what I meant by regular, by assuming I meant some behavioral extreme, especially for a child?

Oh.

I feel like they unnecessarily had him portray a stereotypically flamboyant fag.

Well most young boys who play with dolls aren't the most macho toddlers and youngsters. lol It's safe to assume a boy like this is raised in a household with many females, or predominately female. Most fathers wouldn't let their sons within 10 feet of a Barbie, due to their strict adherence to roles assigned to men.

I love how they are challenging gender roles that are stomped into the minds of children with this commercial, it's about time.

And how do we know this boy was acting, to begin with? Maybe this is indeed his personality. Why are we uncomfortable watching him behave like many kids who imitate what they witness and admire?

[Aamerie.]

but this is where they fuck up. Why does he have to be style like fucking Macklemore and be so cunty. This intensifies the discomfort. People will be mad either way, but personally I would have rather him be...........regular.

he's a kid. kids usually behave like this and not "manly".

Who said anything about manly?

Tell me that.

in the commercial he's "cunty" and you would have preferred him to be more "regular".

So you felt like defining what I meant by regular, by assuming I meant some behavioral extreme, especially for a child?

Oh.

I feel like they unnecessarily had him portray a stereotypically flamboyant fag.

Well most young boys who play with dolls aren't the most macho toddlers and youngsters. lol

I love how they are challenging gender roles that are stomped into the minds of children with this commercial, it's about time.

And how do we know this boy was acting, to begin with? Maybe this is indeed his personality. Why are we uncomfortable watching him behave like many kids who imitate what they witness and admire?

Pushing boundaries, making progress, Black lives matter yea we love all that good stuff but I never said I wanted him to bite Moschino Barbie's head off and spit it into the back of a Tonka truck. If this little boy is gay, I feel the same way I do about any representation of "us" in the media. My gripe was that we have enough adults acting like the flamboyant "extra" POW type of fags already. They cast how they wanted to cast, I simply don't feel that type was necessary to represent a little boy who plays with dolls. This is a kid dressed up in butch biker leather fetish attire with a curious haitstyle screaming gay lingos and snapping his fingers. Thats extra to me and I said what I said guys

[Herb.]

but this is where they fuck up. Why does he have to be style like fucking Macklemore and be so cunty. This intensifies the discomfort. People will be mad either way, but personally I would have rather him be...........regular.

he's a kid. kids usually behave like this and not "manly".

Who said anything about manly?

Tell me that.

in the commercial he's "cunty" and you would have preferred him to be more "regular".

So you felt like defining what I meant by regular, by assuming I meant some behavioral extreme, especially for a child?

Oh.

I feel like they unnecessarily had him portray a stereotypically flamboyant fag.

Well most young boys who play with dolls aren't the most macho toddlers and youngsters. lol

I love how they are challenging gender roles that are stomped into the minds of children with this commercial, it's about time.

And how do we know this boy was acting, to begin with? Maybe this is indeed his personality. Why are we uncomfortable watching him behave like many kids who imitate what they witness and admire?

Pushing boundaries, making progress, Black lives matter yea we love all that good stuff but I never said I wanted him to bite Moschino Barbie's head off and spit it into the back of a Tonka truck. If this little boy is gay, I feel the same way I do about any representation of "us" in the media. My gripe was that we have enough adults acting like the flamboyant "extra" POW type of fags already. They cast how they wanted to cast, I simply don't feel that type was necessary to represent a little boy who plays with dolls. This is a kid dressed up in butch biker leather fetish attire with a curious haitstyle screaming gay lingos and snapping his fingers. Thats extra to me and I said what I said guys

I'm looking at the commercial and I'm finding it hard to pinpoint where he was portraying an overtly feminine male. He had a certain haircut, he said the word "fierce", and placed the pocketbook on the doll's wrist. Does this qualify him to teach Drag 101? The commercial was clearly campy, so the energy fits it. They also had the white girl saying "yea like totally" and mess. LOL It's supposed to be high energy and a bit exaggerated. I can see if they had him suggestively sucking on lollipops, voguing and rolling his neck uncontrollably, but that wasn't the case.

Someone says the word "fierce", and they're misrepresenting our community? Or are we looking harder into it because he has a doll in his hand to begin with?

[Aamerie.]

but this is where they fuck up. Why does he have to be style like fucking Macklemore and be so cunty. This intensifies the discomfort. People will be mad either way, but personally I would have rather him be...........regular.

he's a kid. kids usually behave like this and not "manly".

Who said anything about manly?

Tell me that.

in the commercial he's "cunty" and you would have preferred him to be more "regular".

So you felt like defining what I meant by regular, by assuming I meant some behavioral extreme, especially for a child?

Oh.

I feel like they unnecessarily had him portray a stereotypically flamboyant fag.

Well most young boys who play with dolls aren't the most macho toddlers and youngsters. lol It's safe to assume a boy like this is raised in a household with many females, or predominately female. Most fathers wouldn't let their sons within 10 feet of a Barbie, due to their strict adherence to roles assigned to men.

No one is thinking that deeply looking at this though. They hear FIERCE darling! SNAP! And see this dyke mohawk. I didn't say I thought it was wrong for him to behave however he behaves. I feel there can be a bit of tact in introducing alternative types to conservative America. This is kinda in your face and bold IMO, and if thats what they were going for, congrats. But aggressive approaches can really fuel fires the same way.

[Kurama]

lolz

[Herb.]

but this is where they fuck up. Why does he have to be style like fucking Macklemore and be so cunty. This intensifies the discomfort. People will be mad either way, but personally I would have rather him be...........regular.

he's a kid. kids usually behave like this and not "manly".

Who said anything about manly?

Tell me that.

in the commercial he's "cunty" and you would have preferred him to be more "regular".

So you felt like defining what I meant by regular, by assuming I meant some behavioral extreme, especially for a child?

Oh.

I feel like they unnecessarily had him portray a stereotypically flamboyant fag.

Well most young boys who play with dolls aren't the most macho toddlers and youngsters. lol It's safe to assume a boy like this is raised in a household with many females, or predominately female. Most fathers wouldn't let their sons within 10 feet of a Barbie, due to their strict adherence to roles assigned to men.

No one is thinking that deeply looking at this though. They hear FIERCE darling! SNAP! And see this dyke mohawk. I didn't say I thought it was wrong for him to behave however he behaves. I feel there can be a bit of tact in introducing alternative types to conservative America. This is kinda in your face and bold IMO, and if thats what they were going for, congrats. But aggressive approaches can really fuel fires the same way.

I see what you mean, GODnz.

But that's the thing.....it's highly unlikely that conservative America will change their minds about aligning with gender roles simply because he left out the word "fierce" and had a clean shaven head. The fact that he's in the same frame on television with girls playing with a doll ... would in itself be enough for their vomit to hit the floor.

"No one thinking that deeply" goes two ways.....They're not gonna sit and say "Oh wow, I accept this now because he's a fine young man playing with this doll, and he's not feminine." If they ever turn around and see their son with BArbie in his hands, they're knocking fire into their son. Not teaching him how to hold the doll in a more masculine manner.  Because playing with a doll in itself is totally against socially constructed roles that have been set for boys....which are very clean cut/black & white: play with trucks, leave the easy bake oven the fuck alone.

If anything, this appeals to moms who have kids who are just like the one in this commercial. They do exist, especially in white families where mothers rule the household. It lets them know that it's OK to accept their child just the way he is. And if this is what he wants, go get it for him and do not be ashamed. This is what I mean by defying gender roles.

[Aamerie.]

but this is where they fuck up. Why does he have to be style like fucking Macklemore and be so cunty. This intensifies the discomfort. People will be mad either way, but personally I would have rather him be...........regular.

he's a kid. kids usually behave like this and not "manly".

Who said anything about manly?

Tell me that.

in the commercial he's "cunty" and you would have preferred him to be more "regular".

So you felt like defining what I meant by regular, by assuming I meant some behavioral extreme, especially for a child?

Oh.

I feel like they unnecessarily had him portray a stereotypically flamboyant fag.

Well most young boys who play with dolls aren't the most macho toddlers and youngsters. lol

I love how they are challenging gender roles that are stomped into the minds of children with this commercial, it's about time.

And how do we know this boy was acting, to begin with? Maybe this is indeed his personality. Why are we uncomfortable watching him behave like many kids who imitate what they witness and admire?

Pushing boundaries, making progress, Black lives matter yea we love all that good stuff but I never said I wanted him to bite Moschino Barbie's head off and spit it into the back of a Tonka truck. If this little boy is gay, I feel the same way I do about any representation of "us" in the media. My gripe was that we have enough adults acting like the flamboyant "extra" POW type of fags already. They cast how they wanted to cast, I simply don't feel that type was necessary to represent a little boy who plays with dolls. This is a kid dressed up in butch biker leather fetish attire with a curious haitstyle screaming gay lingos and snapping his fingers. Thats extra to me and I said what I said guys

I'm looking at the commercial and I'm finding it hard to pinpoint where he was portraying an overtly feminine male. He had a certain haircut, he said the word "fierce", and placed the pocketbook on the doll's wrist. Does this qualify him to teach Drag 101? The commercial was clearly campy, so the energy fits it. They also had the white girl saying "yea like totally" and mess. LOL It's supposed to be high energy and a bit exaggerated. I can see if they had him suggestively sucking on lollipops, voguing and rolling his neck uncontrollably, but that wasn't the case.

Someone says the word "fierce", and they're misrepresenting our community? Or are we looking harder into it because he has a doll in his hand to begin with?

I never said he was a misrepresentation. I said he was a stereotypical one. Now if you don't think that lil boy was acting (or not) feminine, that's your perception and I see it differently.  You said everything about the commercial is "exaggerated" and that's exactly how you can describe overtly feminine men. And since the focal point of this commercial is clearly Tommy and not Moschino Barbie, guess who's exaggerated persona is being focused on? They knew what they were doing, and the campy nature of the commercial is null when they want to push dainty prepubescent down America's throat. Him having a Barbie in his hand isnt anything I need to look harder into, as I said initially that a less hmmmm "exaggerated" boy would have accomplished the same thing.

[Aamerie.]

but this is where they fuck up. Why does he have to be style like fucking Macklemore and be so cunty. This intensifies the discomfort. People will be mad either way, but personally I would have rather him be...........regular.

he's a kid. kids usually behave like this and not "manly".

Who said anything about manly?

Tell me that.

in the commercial he's "cunty" and you would have preferred him to be more "regular".

So you felt like defining what I meant by regular, by assuming I meant some behavioral extreme, especially for a child?

Oh.

I feel like they unnecessarily had him portray a stereotypically flamboyant fag.

Well most young boys who play with dolls aren't the most macho toddlers and youngsters. lol It's safe to assume a boy like this is raised in a household with many females, or predominately female. Most fathers wouldn't let their sons within 10 feet of a Barbie, due to their strict adherence to roles assigned to men.

No one is thinking that deeply looking at this though. They hear FIERCE darling! SNAP! And see this dyke mohawk. I didn't say I thought it was wrong for him to behave however he behaves. I feel there can be a bit of tact in introducing alternative types to conservative America. This is kinda in your face and bold IMO, and if thats what they were going for, congrats. But aggressive approaches can really fuel fires the same way.

I see what you mean, GODnz.

But that's the thing.....it's highly unlikely that conservative America will change their minds about aligning with gender roles simply because he left out the word "fierce" and had a clean shaven head. The fact that he's in the same frame on television with girls playing with a doll ... would in itself be enough for their vomit to hit the floor.

"No one thinking that deeply" goes two ways.....They're not gonna sit and say "Oh wow, I accept this now because he's a fine young man playing with this doll, and he's not feminine." If they ever turn around and see their son with BArbie in his hands, they're knocking fire into their son. Not teaching him how to hold the doll in a more masculine manner.  Because playing with a doll in itself is totally against socially constructed roles that have been set for boys....which are very clean cut/black & white: play with trucks, leave the easy bake oven the fuck alone.

If anything, this appeals to moms who have kids who are just like the one in this commercial. They do exist, especially in white families where mothers rule the household. It lets them know that it's OK to accept their child just the way he is. And if this is what he wants, go get it for him and do not be ashamed. This is what I mean by defying gender roles.

True @ the bolded, thats what I meant when I said people would have been mad either way. I get whatchu saying too sis

[The Brandy Barbie]

But wait why is the black barb' so damn well... Done

What were you saying about black Barbies?

[Herb.]

but this is where they fuck up. Why does he have to be style like fucking Macklemore and be so cunty. This intensifies the discomfort. People will be mad either way, but personally I would have rather him be...........regular.

he's a kid. kids usually behave like this and not "manly".

Who said anything about manly?

Tell me that.

in the commercial he's "cunty" and you would have preferred him to be more "regular".

So you felt like defining what I meant by regular, by assuming I meant some behavioral extreme, especially for a child?

Oh.

I feel like they unnecessarily had him portray a stereotypically flamboyant fag.

Well most young boys who play with dolls aren't the most macho toddlers and youngsters. lol

I love how they are challenging gender roles that are stomped into the minds of children with this commercial, it's about time.

And how do we know this boy was acting, to begin with? Maybe this is indeed his personality. Why are we uncomfortable watching him behave like many kids who imitate what they witness and admire?

Pushing boundaries, making progress, Black lives matter yea we love all that good stuff but I never said I wanted him to bite Moschino Barbie's head off and spit it into the back of a Tonka truck. If this little boy is gay, I feel the same way I do about any representation of "us" in the media. My gripe was that we have enough adults acting like the flamboyant "extra" POW type of fags already. They cast how they wanted to cast, I simply don't feel that type was necessary to represent a little boy who plays with dolls. This is a kid dressed up in butch biker leather fetish attire with a curious haitstyle screaming gay lingos and snapping his fingers. Thats extra to me and I said what I said guys

I'm looking at the commercial and I'm finding it hard to pinpoint where he was portraying an overtly feminine male. He had a certain haircut, he said the word "fierce", and placed the pocketbook on the doll's wrist. Does this qualify him to teach Drag 101? The commercial was clearly campy, so the energy fits it. They also had the white girl saying "yea like totally" and mess. LOL It's supposed to be high energy and a bit exaggerated. I can see if they had him suggestively sucking on lollipops, voguing and rolling his neck uncontrollably, but that wasn't the case.

Someone says the word "fierce", and they're misrepresenting our community? Or are we looking harder into it because he has a doll in his hand to begin with?

I never said he was a misrepresentation. I said he was a stereotypical one. Now if you don't think that lil boy was acting (or not) feminine, that's your perception and I see it differently.  You said everything about the commercial is "exaggerated" and that's exactly how you can describe overtly feminine men. And since the focal point of this commercial is clearly Tommy and not Moschino Barbie, guess who's exaggerated persona is being focused on? They knew what they were doing, and the campy nature of the commercial is null when they want to push dainty prepubescent down America's throat. Him having a Barbie in his hand isnt anything I need to look harder into, as I said initially that a less hmmmm "exaggerated" boy would have accomplished the same thing.

I see what you mean.

But this is what people love to see. I mean, it would be like us campaigning to Bravo for the ATL Housewives to tone it down a bit, so we can be properly represented in front of White America. We all know it's exaggerated, its overtly ghetto and most black women (that I know at least) do not behave like that. Is there truth in their antics, though? Absolutely. But it's stretched a bit for entertainment. So we can giggle, and laugh. And talk about it.

That's what good television is. And that's what great marketing is, as well. They did a really good job with the commercial. You have to remember their target audience...who buys these dolls? Women. When a woman sees this, she's gonna chuckle at the little boy saying "fierce". She's not gonna think that all gay men are overtly feminine faggots.

Here's the beautiful thing about this: You're concerned about how adults will see this, but think about the kids who will see this on TV. They now see a feminine young boy playing with a doll, on television. The more they see things like this, maybe we'll have less and less teenage suicides because of harassment at school. Or one less beatdown because a child is "different".

This is why I see the beauty in something like this airing. If this type of child did not exist in many households, and if this type of child was not so often the victim of prejudice and bullying, I would totally be on board with keeping this portrayal in the closet.

But the reality is that many young boys who have a doll in their hand tend to have other feminine qualities. Tad exaggerated in this commercial? Maybe. Unreal? Nope.

[Herb.]

But wait why is the black barb' so damn well... Done

What were you saying about black Barbies?

/./

get em luv

[Herb.]

b

I'm all for it, but did they have to make him such a cliche?

meh...i dont know

the fags that like to play with barbies and purses are usually going to be more on the flamboyant/fem side

Exactlyyyyyy.

[4everSLAYanafan]

UGH I've always wanted my own doll ....hopefully boys and girls play with them, but this little boy in the video is opening doors!!!! I look forward to more of this

[LOONA.]

b

I'm all for it, but did they have to make him such a cliche?

Right

Fem
Playing with purses
Limp wrist

And this damn hair

   

[LOONA.]

b

I'm all for it, but did they have to make him such a cliche?

!!!

"So FIERCE!" like

no one even uses "fierce" anymore 

Tyra drove that into the ground on ANTM

!!!!!!!!