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[Miranda]

yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....

THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."

That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.

[Stewie]

hold up

Jacob... it's saying that I would have to give up ALL products that come from animals..

which means that I wouldn't be able to have cakes and all my other comfort snacks

sssssss

nah iono about that bruh

The range of vegan sweets and desserts is pretty wide. Vegan chocolate cupcakes >>
And it's mostly the sugar that makes the taste anyway.

!!!!!!!
i still have to try vegan cakes

like there's so many snack options that i havent even thought about cakes yet

[Miranda]

Yh Africans don't eat that much eat
We actually kinda treasure our animals

Nobody said differently, sis.

[AIDS!]

Yh Africans don't eat that much eat
We actually kinda treasure our animals

Nobody said differently, sis.

i was skimming the thread and I was agreeing with Stewie
Didn't read the FABLES you were posting lol
Look for a battle elsewhere ????

[Miranda]

if you saw stewie's post about African meat consumption, you saw what i wrote as well. I was just making something clear lol.

I like to be accurate and thorough.

[AIDS!]

Like I said
I was skimming
Go away ????

[Stewie]

yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....

THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."

That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.

theres's several aspects to this and we have been talking about all of it ....the animal cruelty aspect of it AND the physical and mental health of humans AND the awareness aspect of it and how we dont realize how conditioned and manipulated by the media or government into thinking in a certain way...

herbert never claimed he was tryna go vegan....his thing has always been about awareness and the messed up way in which humans think

[Herb.]

yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....

THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."

That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.

I admit, I was a bit derailed by the whole vegan mess, but returned to my original position.

I didn't introduce the morality of meat consumption into this discussion. I engaged for a bit, then backed out, after realizing that I can accept meat consumption as a reason. We can touch and agree on that.

However, the killing of animals for sport and out of sheer annoyance, and GLORIFICATION of animal slayings such as photos, etc. is still disrespectful in my eyes.

[Miranda]

yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....

THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."

That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.

I admit, I was a bit derailed.

I can appreciate this.

[Herb.]

the killing of animals for sport and out of sheer annoyance, and GLORIFICATION of animal slayings such as photos, etc. is still disrespectful in my eyes.

[Bentley!]

sss

well if yawl are leaving I am too

[Miranda]

And you made asinine and weakly researched comments about myself. The cow was not killed to be displayed via social media. The animal was killed to be eaten for a a very special celebratory cultural event, wich I happened to document for relatives and friends who are not in my paternal home village, and for them to see and a get a glimpse of how my home country is. Actually manually killing your animals, instead of running to the next grocery store and buying it packaged. See the reality of it.


That is NOT deer hunting to decorate your house. Accuracy is key.

[Herb.]

Wait, I didn't even really argue the whole consumption thing.

That was Jacob doing most of that.

I said he had some good points about intolerance, and I said that makes sense why we have to cook meat.
and that was like 1 post.

Malcolm, every post I had with you was in regard to killing animals for sport and fun.
I really wasn't derailed.

[Miranda]

p

[Herb.]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.

Can't really go with both.

Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.

Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be.  Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide?  Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.

This all goes RIGHT back to our responsibility as more intelligent creatures. They know no better, we have the ability to make better decisions, being at the top of the chain.

You feel it is OK to kill animals for sport and fun. That is your opinion and I'll just leave it at that. I remember you taking a pic next to a dead lion (or another creature, can't remember which one it was).  So it's no surprise this is your stance. But we're just gonna keep going in circles.