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[Miranda]

Quoting yourself, not quoting me, hun.
Quote the derailment of my argument!

What is so hard about what I'm asking?

sssss It should be rather easy to locate.

i'll keep waiting.

Do I have to break it down for you.

STEWIE started the discussion and laid the hypothesis down.

I responded to the discussion HE initiated, you proceeded to quote ME and talk to ME and therefore interact the statement I made towards the initial debate: "Is killing animals ok?"...

You quoted me and accused me of opposing something, I never did oppose and made it something entirely different.

I could have stopped you then and there, yes, but you were still the one who SHIFTED initial topic of the comment I had made towards Stewie's discussion.

Can you acknowledge that? I could have stopped you then and there, but it only became extra clear later that you had not propely understood the nature of my comment/question, and therefor I corrected you later.

I hope you could follow luv.

[Herb.]

Receipts, hun. All this talk, but no paper trail.
Evidence is key in proving this. Just quote me. Much quicker than writing essays about your point.

Find the receipts.  BACK it up.
Reference your source. That's all I am asking!

[Miranda]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

Here you fucking go. Where did I say you should be able to kill them just because. You made it something it was not.

My statement was about killing animals period. Animals kill to eat, we kill to eat. It was pretty clear I was talking about killing for a reason.

[Miranda]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.

Can't really go with both.

Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.

WHERE DID I DO THAT? WHERE? Show me the receipts?

In this very moment you got derailed and assumed something that was simply not there.

[Miranda]

Now, deflect THAT, sis.

[Miranda]

yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....

THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."

That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.

I admit, I was a bit derailed by the whole vegan mess, but returned to my original position.

I didn't introduce the morality of meat consumption into this discussion. I engaged for a bit, then backed out, after realizing that I can accept meat consumption as a reason. We can touch and agree on that.

However, the killing of animals for sport and out of sheer annoyance, and GLORIFICATION of animal slayings such as photos, etc. is still disrespectful in my eyes.

This where you shoulda stopped luv.

[Herb.]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

Here you fucking go. Where did I say you should be able to kill them just because. You made it something it was not.

My statement was about killing animals period. Animals kill to eat, we kill to eat. It was pretty clear I was talking about killing for a reason.

You didn't specify what the animal was killing the other animal for.

I took your statement as a reference to perhaps a cat chasing a mouse around for fun. And eventually killing it. But not eating it.
You need to be specific if you want specific answers.

Again, this ALL goes back to what I originally was talking about, which is killing animals for fun and sport. I had to acknowledge that animals , too, sometimes take part in killing animals just because they are around. But as humans we are better equipped to think more of our actions before we do it.  As in, some dumb teens thinking twice before they decide to throw a cat around their yard or kill it. Thinking twice before some self exalting honkey shoots down a deer to decorate his livingroom.

You were not specific at all. So you left much to my interpretation.

[Miranda]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

Here you fucking go. Where did I say you should be able to kill them just because. You made it something it was not.

My statement was about killing animals period. Animals kill to eat, we kill to eat. It was pretty clear I was talking about killing for a reason.

You didn't specify what the animal was killing the other animal for.

I took your statement as a reference to perhaps a cat chasing a mouse around for fun.
You need to be specific if you want specific answers.

Again, this ALL goes back to what I originally was talking about, which is killing animals for fun and sport. I had to acknowledge that animals , too, sometimes take part in killing animals just because they are around. But as humans we are better equipped to think more of our actions before we do it.  As in, some dumb teens thinking twice before they decide to throw a cat around their yard or kill it. Thinking twice before some self exalting honkey shoots down a deer to decorate his livingroom.

You were not specific at all. So you left much to my interpretation.

It is very specific, in that it is not specific at all, therefore assuming I am talking about senseless killing is simply, I am sorry, STUPID. It is about killing animals, period. Like LITERALLY period.

It was about killing animals in general, and you narrowed it down to illogical killing. Can you please acknowledge that?

[Miranda]

Between this and Alek I think he's scrambling

dummy self

[Herb.]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

Here you fucking go. Where did I say you should be able to kill them just because. You made it something it was not.

My statement was about killing animals period. Animals kill to eat, we kill to eat. It was pretty clear I was talking about killing for a reason.

You didn't specify what the animal was killing the other animal for.

I took your statement as a reference to perhaps a cat chasing a mouse around for fun.
You need to be specific if you want specific answers.

Again, this ALL goes back to what I originally was talking about, which is killing animals for fun and sport. I had to acknowledge that animals , too, sometimes take part in killing animals just because they are around. But as humans we are better equipped to think more of our actions before we do it.  As in, some dumb teens thinking twice before they decide to throw a cat around their yard or kill it. Thinking twice before some self exalting honkey shoots down a deer to decorate his livingroom.

You were not specific at all. So you left much to my interpretation.

It was about killing animals in general, and you narrowed it down to illogical killing. Can you please acknowledge that?

I just did acknowledge that Malcolm. Did you not read what I typed just now?

You were not specific and I responded to what I felt you were asking.

That's like asking "Why do blacks hate whites?"

One could decide to take that down the avenue of slavery, or they could take it down the avenue of police brutality, etc.

If someone wants a specific response, the question would be, "Why do blacks still hate whites for slavery?" this would open the door for me to discuss something very specific, instead of being given an opportunity to go down whichever road I choose.

You opened many roads and I decided to take the one of my choice. Be more specific next time if you want a more narrowed discussion.

[Miranda]

Understand the context before making comments inapplicable to the situation at hand. If the question is general, the answer or discussion is general too.

You know what they say about people who assume...

[Herb.]

Understand the context before making comments inapplicable to the situation at hand. If the question is general, the answer or discussion is general too.

You know what they say about people who assume...

Well the discussion at hand was in regards to my feelings about people killing animals for fun and sport....Jacob and I were having that discussion...well, before you chimed in.

So maybe it's important you understand the context before jumping in next time. We're done lol

[Miranda]

Just take this damn L, you fought hard, but it is pretty clear, you connected the dots a bit to quickly. Still luv ya.

[LOONA.]

Understand the context before making comments inapplicable to the situation at hand. If the question is general, the answer or discussion is general too.

You know what they say about people who assume...

Well the discussion at hand was in regards to my feelings about people killing animals for fun and sport....Jacob and I were having that discussion...well, before you chimed in.

So maybe it's important you understand the context before jumping in next time. We're done lol

Bitch ho   

[LOONA.]