Wendy Williams Comes For Ashanti Again

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I don't agree with the "Bey" standard tho ... never have :dead:

it's the same reason why Bey is able to thrive and other black women have struggled imo

everything is always an excuse with Bey, now this Lumberjack sat there and completely tore down Ashanti and compared her to Bey and JLo .... for what? .... she didn't accomplish anything except tearing another black woman down on national TV

she's usually tolerable, but this is disgusting

H.#.G.*.Z

b7

Quote from: FadedEnvy on December 06, 2017, 05:48:38 AM
Well the obvious differences in their celebrity status aside.


:dead:

How is that relevant here? Nice post overall and i see ur points, but that guy was still wrong. she?s still a singer and he had to have known that wouldn?t go over well

Nothing about that is the norm even in those venues for an R&B artist and it wasn?t cute. glass he got cussed out lol

XXX.

Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
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Quote from: Gilgamesh. on December 06, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
I'm still Team Ashanti on this but Faded has a point I guess.

I mean, not really but Merry Chris'!
exactly
I said that because Faded was lying and exaggerating to try and differentiate
Beyonc? has never had on a big ass ball gown doing a lap dance
On the BET awards and on the DC3 tour she?s wearing a thin evening gown
that definitely shows off her body just as much as Ashanti
and even further, during Partition she actually is on a pole doing a stripper/exotic dancer routine so y?all can stop this bullshit trying to paint her in some prude virginal light in comparison to Ashanti there is no difference
and I could maybe see if the person getting the lap dance was throwing the money, but it was someone in the audience
if anyone has even been to a strip club you would know that
Ppl only throw money when a dancer is on stage on the pole
When it?s a lap dance/private dance usually you pay up front, keep your hands to yourself or maybe but money in the girl?s g-string

As usual, HORRIBLE example.

The "Partition" music video
who said anything about the video? She performs it LIVE at her concerts

And even so, she is not calling 5 men onstage to touch them sexually. 

Everything is not the same.  And clearly, what we're seeing from Wendy, Joe and across social media, people respect Beyonc? more than Ashanti.  If you really wanna get into it and understand why the reaction is what it is.  Or why Beyonc? isn't getting dollar bills thrown at her during "Partition". LMFAO!

Ashanti, who has been low brow for the last 10 years, just seems like some regular chick at this point.  And it sends a certain message if you can get called onstage in a nightclub to get your penis played with and a lapdance.

And if she doesn't like the negative attention after performing like a stripper while using stripper imagery, then maybe she should cut it from her act.
Wendy was fuming, Joe was joking
and the men on stage weren?t the ones throwing the money.
Further, it?s not like this thing happens every time she does this. All these excuses are bullshit. Ashanti is not a stripper, was not in a strip club, and did not deserve to have money thrown at her
Neither is or does Beyonc?, but ppl ?respecting? one over the other or who is popular and who isn?t has nothing to do with it
Ashanti just ran into one person who decided to be ignorant
Let?s not act like that 1 dude didn?t grab Bey?s ass or the other didn?t completely snatch her off the stage, iconic, respected artist and all

It's really not about what's "deserved".  It's what happened.  She has a part in her show that is sexual in nature AND interactive.  You open yourself up to whatever happens as a result during ANY interactive setting.  Especially in an intimate environment.  Just playing devil's advocate.    What if the people who threw the money didn't mean any disrespect?  And they thought it would be fun, because money was being thrown in the videos on the back drop?  And they were enjoying the lapdances?

I find it hilarious how money being thrown at her is being found so disrespectful as if it doesn't correlate with the sexual gestures onstage.

I'll be sure to call you for bail money when I walk into WalMart today with a ski mask on or hoodie pulled over my face as I keep looking over my shoulder.  I'm sure I won't necessarily deserve what ever happens, but by Ashanti's logic, I am not a thief!  And don't plan to steal. 

GYNandTONIC

Quote from: Aa. on December 06, 2017, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on December 06, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on December 06, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
I'm still Team Ashanti on this but Faded has a point I guess.

I mean, not really but Merry Chris'!
exactly
I said that because Faded was lying and exaggerating to try and differentiate
Beyonc? has never had on a big ass ball gown doing a lap dance
On the BET awards and on the DC3 tour she?s wearing a thin evening gown
that definitely shows off her body just as much as Ashanti
and even further, during Partition she actually is on a pole doing a stripper/exotic dancer routine so y?all can stop this bullshit trying to paint her in some prude virginal light in comparison to Ashanti there is no difference
and I could maybe see if the person getting the lap dance was throwing the money, but it was someone in the audience
if anyone has even been to a strip club you would know that
Ppl only throw money when a dancer is on stage on the pole
When it?s a lap dance/private dance usually you pay up front, keep your hands to yourself or maybe but money in the girl?s g-string

As usual, HORRIBLE example.

The "Partition" music video
who said anything about the video? She performs it LIVE at her concerts



Everything is not the same.  And clearly, what we're seeing from Wendy, Joe and across social media, people respect Beyonc? more than Ashanti.  If you really wanna get into it



this is really all there is to it :dead:

This debate on what she wore, where she was, how she groped, etc is irrelevant. People, regardless of where they are or what's playing on a screen, are not going to make it rain on Beyonc?. One is Beyonc? and one is Ashanti.

Respect as an artist is up for grabs, but respect as a woman should be equal across the board. Your sales shouldn't have to be up for someone to respect you as a woman.

Both women wear skin baring outfits
Both do/did erotic style dances
Both are singers/entertainers first
Both are women

The only difference is one is a more relevant artist. Which shouldn't subject the other having money thrown at her. It wasn't a strip club nor was she marketed as an exotic dancer. A grown man should use common sense and have respect for the woman. Anything less is within the mind of the man, and those who agree with his actions. Ashitty did nothing worth deserving that.

RAY7

Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on December 06, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on December 06, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
I'm still Team Ashanti on this but Faded has a point I guess.

I mean, not really but Merry Chris'!
exactly
I said that because Faded was lying and exaggerating to try and differentiate
Beyonc? has never had on a big ass ball gown doing a lap dance
On the BET awards and on the DC3 tour she?s wearing a thin evening gown
that definitely shows off her body just as much as Ashanti
and even further, during Partition she actually is on a pole doing a stripper/exotic dancer routine so y?all can stop this bullshit trying to paint her in some prude virginal light in comparison to Ashanti there is no difference
and I could maybe see if the person getting the lap dance was throwing the money, but it was someone in the audience
if anyone has even been to a strip club you would know that
Ppl only throw money when a dancer is on stage on the pole
When it?s a lap dance/private dance usually you pay up front, keep your hands to yourself or maybe but money in the girl?s g-string

As usual, HORRIBLE example.

The "Partition" music video
who said anything about the video? She performs it LIVE at her concerts

And even so, she is not calling 5 men onstage to touch them sexually. 

Everything is not the same.  And clearly, what we're seeing from Wendy, Joe and across social media, people respect Beyonc? more than Ashanti.  If you really wanna get into it and understand why the reaction is what it is.  Or why Beyonc? isn't getting dollar bills thrown at her during "Partition". LMFAO!

Ashanti, who has been low brow for the last 10 years, just seems like some regular chick at this point.  And it sends a certain message if you can get called onstage in a nightclub to get your penis played with and a lapdance.

And if she doesn't like the negative attention after performing like a stripper while using stripper imagery, then maybe she should cut it from her act.
Wendy was fuming, Joe was joking
and the men on stage weren?t the ones throwing the money.
Further, it?s not like this thing happens every time she does this. All these excuses are bullshit. Ashanti is not a stripper, was not in a strip club, and did not deserve to have money thrown at her
Neither is or does Beyonc?, but ppl ?respecting? one over the other or who is popular and who isn?t has nothing to do with it
Ashanti just ran into one person who decided to be ignorant
Let?s not act like that 1 dude didn?t grab Bey?s ass or the other didn?t completely snatch her off the stage, iconic, respected artist and all

It's really not about what's "deserved".  It's what happened.  She has a part in her show that is sexual in nature AND interactive.  You open yourself up to whatever happens as a result during ANY interactive setting.  Especially in an intimate environment.  Just playing devil's advocate.    What if the people who threw the money didn't mean any disrespect?  And they thought it would be fun, because money was being thrown in the videos on the back drop?  And they were enjoying the lapdances?

I find it hilarious how money being thrown at her is being found so disrespectful as if it doesn't correlate with the sexual gestures onstage.

I'll be sure to call you for bail money when I walk into WalMart today with a ski mask on or hoodie pulled over my face as I keep looking over my shoulder.  I'm sure I won't necessarily deserve what ever happens, but by Ashanti's logic, I am not a thief!  And don't plan to steal.
If you call me Ill tell you to get a lawyer and sue Wal-Mart for all they?re worth
especially in December if a person is walking into their store with a ski-mask on and they call the police for an arrest
They sell ski-masks themselves :dead: horrible example

I?m sorry all that mess about the background and not thinking it?s disrespectful is really irrelevant tbh. Even if a stripper or prostitute doesn?t want money thrown at them in any capacity that is their right tbh
unless a person is asking or directing you to do something to them
any unwanted contact should be respected period

XXX.

Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on December 06, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on December 06, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
I'm still Team Ashanti on this but Faded has a point I guess.

I mean, not really but Merry Chris'!
exactly
I said that because Faded was lying and exaggerating to try and differentiate
Beyonc? has never had on a big ass ball gown doing a lap dance
On the BET awards and on the DC3 tour she?s wearing a thin evening gown
that definitely shows off her body just as much as Ashanti
and even further, during Partition she actually is on a pole doing a stripper/exotic dancer routine so y?all can stop this bullshit trying to paint her in some prude virginal light in comparison to Ashanti there is no difference
and I could maybe see if the person getting the lap dance was throwing the money, but it was someone in the audience
if anyone has even been to a strip club you would know that
Ppl only throw money when a dancer is on stage on the pole
When it?s a lap dance/private dance usually you pay up front, keep your hands to yourself or maybe but money in the girl?s g-string

As usual, HORRIBLE example.

The "Partition" music video
who said anything about the video? She performs it LIVE at her concerts

And even so, she is not calling 5 men onstage to touch them sexually. 

Everything is not the same.  And clearly, what we're seeing from Wendy, Joe and across social media, people respect Beyonc? more than Ashanti.  If you really wanna get into it and understand why the reaction is what it is.  Or why Beyonc? isn't getting dollar bills thrown at her during "Partition". LMFAO!

Ashanti, who has been low brow for the last 10 years, just seems like some regular chick at this point.  And it sends a certain message if you can get called onstage in a nightclub to get your penis played with and a lapdance.

And if she doesn't like the negative attention after performing like a stripper while using stripper imagery, then maybe she should cut it from her act.
Wendy was fuming, Joe was joking
and the men on stage weren?t the ones throwing the money.
Further, it?s not like this thing happens every time she does this. All these excuses are bullshit. Ashanti is not a stripper, was not in a strip club, and did not deserve to have money thrown at her
Neither is or does Beyonc?, but ppl ?respecting? one over the other or who is popular and who isn?t has nothing to do with it
Ashanti just ran into one person who decided to be ignorant
Let?s not act like that 1 dude didn?t grab Bey?s ass or the other didn?t completely snatch her off the stage, iconic, respected artist and all

It's really not about what's "deserved".  It's what happened.  She has a part in her show that is sexual in nature AND interactive.  You open yourself up to whatever happens as a result during ANY interactive setting.  Especially in an intimate environment.  Just playing devil's advocate.    What if the people who threw the money didn't mean any disrespect?  And they thought it would be fun, because money was being thrown in the videos on the back drop?  And they were enjoying the lapdances?

I find it hilarious how money being thrown at her is being found so disrespectful as if it doesn't correlate with the sexual gestures onstage.

I'll be sure to call you for bail money when I walk into WalMart today with a ski mask on or hoodie pulled over my face as I keep looking over my shoulder.  I'm sure I won't necessarily deserve what ever happens, but by Ashanti's logic, I am not a thief!  And don't plan to steal.
If you call me Ill tell you to get a lawyer and sue Wal-Mart for all they?re worth
especially in December if a person is walking into their store with a ski-mask on and they call the police for an arrest
They sell ski-masks themselves :dead: horrible example

I?m sorry all that mess about the background and not thinking it?s disrespectful is really irrelevant tbh. Even if a stripper or prostitute doesn?t want money thrown at them in any capacity that is their right tbh
unless a person is asking or directing you to do something to them
any unwanted contact should be respected period

Please.

It was a great example, because I understand perception and how important that is.

You're so caught up in "rights" and "deserve" as if someone sexually assaulted her.  People were having fun during a set where she's emulating being a stripper.  And they threw a couple dollar bills onstage.  So what?

If she's that offended about dollars thrown at her, then stop calling men onstage to play with their pee-pee's and give them lapdances. 

Otherwise, she can continue to FUME OWT!

Stripper self!

RAY7

Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on December 06, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on December 06, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
I'm still Team Ashanti on this but Faded has a point I guess.

I mean, not really but Merry Chris'!
exactly
I said that because Faded was lying and exaggerating to try and differentiate
Beyonc? has never had on a big ass ball gown doing a lap dance
On the BET awards and on the DC3 tour she?s wearing a thin evening gown
that definitely shows off her body just as much as Ashanti
and even further, during Partition she actually is on a pole doing a stripper/exotic dancer routine so y?all can stop this bullshit trying to paint her in some prude virginal light in comparison to Ashanti there is no difference
and I could maybe see if the person getting the lap dance was throwing the money, but it was someone in the audience
if anyone has even been to a strip club you would know that
Ppl only throw money when a dancer is on stage on the pole
When it?s a lap dance/private dance usually you pay up front, keep your hands to yourself or maybe but money in the girl?s g-string

As usual, HORRIBLE example.

The "Partition" music video
who said anything about the video? She performs it LIVE at her concerts

And even so, she is not calling 5 men onstage to touch them sexually. 

Everything is not the same.  And clearly, what we're seeing from Wendy, Joe and across social media, people respect Beyonc? more than Ashanti.  If you really wanna get into it and understand why the reaction is what it is.  Or why Beyonc? isn't getting dollar bills thrown at her during "Partition". LMFAO!

Ashanti, who has been low brow for the last 10 years, just seems like some regular chick at this point.  And it sends a certain message if you can get called onstage in a nightclub to get your penis played with and a lapdance.

And if she doesn't like the negative attention after performing like a stripper while using stripper imagery, then maybe she should cut it from her act.
Wendy was fuming, Joe was joking
and the men on stage weren?t the ones throwing the money.
Further, it?s not like this thing happens every time she does this. All these excuses are bullshit. Ashanti is not a stripper, was not in a strip club, and did not deserve to have money thrown at her
Neither is or does Beyonc?, but ppl ?respecting? one over the other or who is popular and who isn?t has nothing to do with it
Ashanti just ran into one person who decided to be ignorant
Let?s not act like that 1 dude didn?t grab Bey?s ass or the other didn?t completely snatch her off the stage, iconic, respected artist and all

It's really not about what's "deserved".  It's what happened.  She has a part in her show that is sexual in nature AND interactive.  You open yourself up to whatever happens as a result during ANY interactive setting.  Especially in an intimate environment.  Just playing devil's advocate.    What if the people who threw the money didn't mean any disrespect?  And they thought it would be fun, because money was being thrown in the videos on the back drop?  And they were enjoying the lapdances?

I find it hilarious how money being thrown at her is being found so disrespectful as if it doesn't correlate with the sexual gestures onstage.

I'll be sure to call you for bail money when I walk into WalMart today with a ski mask on or hoodie pulled over my face as I keep looking over my shoulder.  I'm sure I won't necessarily deserve what ever happens, but by Ashanti's logic, I am not a thief!  And don't plan to steal.
If you call me Ill tell you to get a lawyer and sue Wal-Mart for all they?re worth
especially in December if a person is walking into their store with a ski-mask on and they call the police for an arrest
They sell ski-masks themselves :dead: horrible example

I?m sorry all that mess about the background and not thinking it?s disrespectful is really irrelevant tbh. Even if a stripper or prostitute doesn?t want money thrown at them in any capacity that is their right tbh
unless a person is asking or directing you to do something to them
any unwanted contact should be respected period

Please.

It was a great example, because I understand perception and how important that is.

You're so caught up in "rights" and "deserve" as if someone sexually assaulted her.  People were having fun during a set where she's emulating being a stripper.  And they threw a couple dollar bills onstage.  So what?

If she's that offended about dollars thrown at her, then stop calling men onstage to play with their pee-pee's and give them lapdances. 

Otherwise, she can continue to FUME OWT!

Stripper self!
the people on stage getting their pee-pee?s groped would be the one?s that this would apply to though
this was a nigga that wasn?t involved, wasn?t invited onstage and she didn?t touch his dick
He tried to get cute, got embarrassed and escorted out
Shan wins

Which is the same thing as when ole boy grabbed Bey?s ass and she threatened to escort him out, but of course you wouldn?t suggest she cover her ass and stop shaking it on stage if she didn?t want that?
:blessed:

Genesis

December 06, 2017, 10:50:16 AM #112 Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 10:50:45 AM by Genesis
Ashanti is lame, boring, and talentless, and I?ve heard she has a stank attitude. Glad her career sunk as fast as it rose.

RAY7

Ton, and Lis don?t read this

Um wouldn?t all that apply to Ciara Gen?

XXX.

Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on December 06, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on December 06, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
I'm still Team Ashanti on this but Faded has a point I guess.

I mean, not really but Merry Chris'!
exactly
I said that because Faded was lying and exaggerating to try and differentiate
Beyonc? has never had on a big ass ball gown doing a lap dance
On the BET awards and on the DC3 tour she?s wearing a thin evening gown
that definitely shows off her body just as much as Ashanti
and even further, during Partition she actually is on a pole doing a stripper/exotic dancer routine so y?all can stop this bullshit trying to paint her in some prude virginal light in comparison to Ashanti there is no difference
and I could maybe see if the person getting the lap dance was throwing the money, but it was someone in the audience
if anyone has even been to a strip club you would know that
Ppl only throw money when a dancer is on stage on the pole
When it?s a lap dance/private dance usually you pay up front, keep your hands to yourself or maybe but money in the girl?s g-string

As usual, HORRIBLE example.

The "Partition" music video
who said anything about the video? She performs it LIVE at her concerts

And even so, she is not calling 5 men onstage to touch them sexually. 

Everything is not the same.  And clearly, what we're seeing from Wendy, Joe and across social media, people respect Beyonc? more than Ashanti.  If you really wanna get into it and understand why the reaction is what it is.  Or why Beyonc? isn't getting dollar bills thrown at her during "Partition". LMFAO!

Ashanti, who has been low brow for the last 10 years, just seems like some regular chick at this point.  And it sends a certain message if you can get called onstage in a nightclub to get your penis played with and a lapdance.

And if she doesn't like the negative attention after performing like a stripper while using stripper imagery, then maybe she should cut it from her act.
Wendy was fuming, Joe was joking
and the men on stage weren?t the ones throwing the money.
Further, it?s not like this thing happens every time she does this. All these excuses are bullshit. Ashanti is not a stripper, was not in a strip club, and did not deserve to have money thrown at her
Neither is or does Beyonc?, but ppl ?respecting? one over the other or who is popular and who isn?t has nothing to do with it
Ashanti just ran into one person who decided to be ignorant
Let?s not act like that 1 dude didn?t grab Bey?s ass or the other didn?t completely snatch her off the stage, iconic, respected artist and all

It's really not about what's "deserved".  It's what happened.  She has a part in her show that is sexual in nature AND interactive.  You open yourself up to whatever happens as a result during ANY interactive setting.  Especially in an intimate environment.  Just playing devil's advocate.    What if the people who threw the money didn't mean any disrespect?  And they thought it would be fun, because money was being thrown in the videos on the back drop?  And they were enjoying the lapdances?

I find it hilarious how money being thrown at her is being found so disrespectful as if it doesn't correlate with the sexual gestures onstage.

I'll be sure to call you for bail money when I walk into WalMart today with a ski mask on or hoodie pulled over my face as I keep looking over my shoulder.  I'm sure I won't necessarily deserve what ever happens, but by Ashanti's logic, I am not a thief!  And don't plan to steal.
If you call me Ill tell you to get a lawyer and sue Wal-Mart for all they?re worth
especially in December if a person is walking into their store with a ski-mask on and they call the police for an arrest
They sell ski-masks themselves :dead: horrible example

I?m sorry all that mess about the background and not thinking it?s disrespectful is really irrelevant tbh. Even if a stripper or prostitute doesn?t want money thrown at them in any capacity that is their right tbh
unless a person is asking or directing you to do something to them
any unwanted contact should be respected period

Please.

It was a great example, because I understand perception and how important that is.

You're so caught up in "rights" and "deserve" as if someone sexually assaulted her.  People were having fun during a set where she's emulating being a stripper.  And they threw a couple dollar bills onstage.  So what?

If she's that offended about dollars thrown at her, then stop calling men onstage to play with their pee-pee's and give them lapdances. 

Otherwise, she can continue to FUME OWT!

Stripper self!
the people on stage getting their pee-pee?s groped would be the one?s that this would apply to though
this was a nigga that wasn?t involved, wasn?t invited onstage and she didn?t touch his dick
He tried to get cute, got embarrassed and escorted out
Shan wins

Which is the same thing as when ole boy grabbed Bey?s ass and she threatened to escort him out, but of course you wouldn?t suggest she cover her ass and stop shaking it on stage if she didn?t want that?
:blessed:

Ray, please. LMFAO!  I love when I present you logic and you start scrambling.

And why do you keep bringing up that guy slapping Beyonc?'s ass during a part of her show that was nowhere near sexual in nature?  That's assault.  Throwing money onstage is not.  I'll defend Ashanti all day when it crosess THAT line. 



But keep reaching.

Genesis

Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:52:05 AM
Ton, and Lis don?t read this

Um wouldn?t all that apply to Ciara Gen?
Ciara is still relevant, Rich, And Married.

This is Ashanti?s biggest buzz in years :dead:

RAY7

Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: XXX. on December 06, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 06, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on December 06, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on December 06, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
I'm still Team Ashanti on this but Faded has a point I guess.

I mean, not really but Merry Chris'!
exactly
I said that because Faded was lying and exaggerating to try and differentiate
Beyonc? has never had on a big ass ball gown doing a lap dance
On the BET awards and on the DC3 tour she?s wearing a thin evening gown
that definitely shows off her body just as much as Ashanti
and even further, during Partition she actually is on a pole doing a stripper/exotic dancer routine so y?all can stop this bullshit trying to paint her in some prude virginal light in comparison to Ashanti there is no difference
and I could maybe see if the person getting the lap dance was throwing the money, but it was someone in the audience
if anyone has even been to a strip club you would know that
Ppl only throw money when a dancer is on stage on the pole
When it?s a lap dance/private dance usually you pay up front, keep your hands to yourself or maybe but money in the girl?s g-string

As usual, HORRIBLE example.

The "Partition" music video
who said anything about the video? She performs it LIVE at her concerts

And even so, she is not calling 5 men onstage to touch them sexually. 

Everything is not the same.  And clearly, what we're seeing from Wendy, Joe and across social media, people respect Beyonc? more than Ashanti.  If you really wanna get into it and understand why the reaction is what it is.  Or why Beyonc? isn't getting dollar bills thrown at her during "Partition". LMFAO!

Ashanti, who has been low brow for the last 10 years, just seems like some regular chick at this point.  And it sends a certain message if you can get called onstage in a nightclub to get your penis played with and a lapdance.

And if she doesn't like the negative attention after performing like a stripper while using stripper imagery, then maybe she should cut it from her act.
Wendy was fuming, Joe was joking
and the men on stage weren?t the ones throwing the money.
Further, it?s not like this thing happens every time she does this. All these excuses are bullshit. Ashanti is not a stripper, was not in a strip club, and did not deserve to have money thrown at her
Neither is or does Beyonc?, but ppl ?respecting? one over the other or who is popular and who isn?t has nothing to do with it
Ashanti just ran into one person who decided to be ignorant
Let?s not act like that 1 dude didn?t grab Bey?s ass or the other didn?t completely snatch her off the stage, iconic, respected artist and all

It's really not about what's "deserved".  It's what happened.  She has a part in her show that is sexual in nature AND interactive.  You open yourself up to whatever happens as a result during ANY interactive setting.  Especially in an intimate environment.  Just playing devil's advocate.    What if the people who threw the money didn't mean any disrespect?  And they thought it would be fun, because money was being thrown in the videos on the back drop?  And they were enjoying the lapdances?

I find it hilarious how money being thrown at her is being found so disrespectful as if it doesn't correlate with the sexual gestures onstage.

I'll be sure to call you for bail money when I walk into WalMart today with a ski mask on or hoodie pulled over my face as I keep looking over my shoulder.  I'm sure I won't necessarily deserve what ever happens, but by Ashanti's logic, I am not a thief!  And don't plan to steal.
If you call me Ill tell you to get a lawyer and sue Wal-Mart for all they?re worth
especially in December if a person is walking into their store with a ski-mask on and they call the police for an arrest
They sell ski-masks themselves :dead: horrible example

I?m sorry all that mess about the background and not thinking it?s disrespectful is really irrelevant tbh. Even if a stripper or prostitute doesn?t want money thrown at them in any capacity that is their right tbh
unless a person is asking or directing you to do something to them
any unwanted contact should be respected period

Please.

It was a great example, because I understand perception and how important that is.

You're so caught up in "rights" and "deserve" as if someone sexually assaulted her.  People were having fun during a set where she's emulating being a stripper.  And they threw a couple dollar bills onstage.  So what?

If she's that offended about dollars thrown at her, then stop calling men onstage to play with their pee-pee's and give them lapdances. 

Otherwise, she can continue to FUME OWT!

Stripper self!
the people on stage getting their pee-pee?s groped would be the one?s that this would apply to though
this was a nigga that wasn?t involved, wasn?t invited onstage and she didn?t touch his dick
He tried to get cute, got embarrassed and escorted out
Shan wins

Which is the same thing as when ole boy grabbed Bey?s ass and she threatened to escort him out, but of course you wouldn?t suggest she cover her ass and stop shaking it on stage if she didn?t want that?
:blessed:

Ray, please. LMFAO!  I love when I present you logic and you start scrambling.

And why do you keep bringing up that guy slapping Beyonc?'s ass during a part of her show that was nowhere near sexual in nature?  That's assault.  Throwing money onstage is not.  I'll defend Ashanti all day when it crosess THAT line. 



But keep reaching.
she has on a body suit, with cleavage all out
and it?s ?interactive? as you say which opens it up to anything
if this is wrong then the dude at Shan?s concert is wrong too
Pick a side bro


XXX.

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I'm still Team Ashanti on this but Faded has a point I guess.

I mean, not really but Merry Chris'!
exactly
I said that because Faded was lying and exaggerating to try and differentiate
Beyonc? has never had on a big ass ball gown doing a lap dance
On the BET awards and on the DC3 tour she?s wearing a thin evening gown
that definitely shows off her body just as much as Ashanti
and even further, during Partition she actually is on a pole doing a stripper/exotic dancer routine so y?all can stop this bullshit trying to paint her in some prude virginal light in comparison to Ashanti there is no difference
and I could maybe see if the person getting the lap dance was throwing the money, but it was someone in the audience
if anyone has even been to a strip club you would know that
Ppl only throw money when a dancer is on stage on the pole
When it?s a lap dance/private dance usually you pay up front, keep your hands to yourself or maybe but money in the girl?s g-string

As usual, HORRIBLE example.

The "Partition" music video
who said anything about the video? She performs it LIVE at her concerts

And even so, she is not calling 5 men onstage to touch them sexually. 

Everything is not the same.  And clearly, what we're seeing from Wendy, Joe and across social media, people respect Beyonc? more than Ashanti.  If you really wanna get into it and understand why the reaction is what it is.  Or why Beyonc? isn't getting dollar bills thrown at her during "Partition". LMFAO!

Ashanti, who has been low brow for the last 10 years, just seems like some regular chick at this point.  And it sends a certain message if you can get called onstage in a nightclub to get your penis played with and a lapdance.

And if she doesn't like the negative attention after performing like a stripper while using stripper imagery, then maybe she should cut it from her act.
Wendy was fuming, Joe was joking
and the men on stage weren?t the ones throwing the money.
Further, it?s not like this thing happens every time she does this. All these excuses are bullshit. Ashanti is not a stripper, was not in a strip club, and did not deserve to have money thrown at her
Neither is or does Beyonc?, but ppl ?respecting? one over the other or who is popular and who isn?t has nothing to do with it
Ashanti just ran into one person who decided to be ignorant
Let?s not act like that 1 dude didn?t grab Bey?s ass or the other didn?t completely snatch her off the stage, iconic, respected artist and all

It's really not about what's "deserved".  It's what happened.  She has a part in her show that is sexual in nature AND interactive.  You open yourself up to whatever happens as a result during ANY interactive setting.  Especially in an intimate environment.  Just playing devil's advocate.    What if the people who threw the money didn't mean any disrespect?  And they thought it would be fun, because money was being thrown in the videos on the back drop?  And they were enjoying the lapdances?

I find it hilarious how money being thrown at her is being found so disrespectful as if it doesn't correlate with the sexual gestures onstage.

I'll be sure to call you for bail money when I walk into WalMart today with a ski mask on or hoodie pulled over my face as I keep looking over my shoulder.  I'm sure I won't necessarily deserve what ever happens, but by Ashanti's logic, I am not a thief!  And don't plan to steal.
If you call me Ill tell you to get a lawyer and sue Wal-Mart for all they?re worth
especially in December if a person is walking into their store with a ski-mask on and they call the police for an arrest
They sell ski-masks themselves :dead: horrible example

I?m sorry all that mess about the background and not thinking it?s disrespectful is really irrelevant tbh. Even if a stripper or prostitute doesn?t want money thrown at them in any capacity that is their right tbh
unless a person is asking or directing you to do something to them
any unwanted contact should be respected period

Please.

It was a great example, because I understand perception and how important that is.

You're so caught up in "rights" and "deserve" as if someone sexually assaulted her.  People were having fun during a set where she's emulating being a stripper.  And they threw a couple dollar bills onstage.  So what?

If she's that offended about dollars thrown at her, then stop calling men onstage to play with their pee-pee's and give them lapdances. 

Otherwise, she can continue to FUME OWT!

Stripper self!
the people on stage getting their pee-pee?s groped would be the one?s that this would apply to though
this was a nigga that wasn?t involved, wasn?t invited onstage and she didn?t touch his dick
He tried to get cute, got embarrassed and escorted out
Shan wins

Which is the same thing as when ole boy grabbed Bey?s ass and she threatened to escort him out, but of course you wouldn?t suggest she cover her ass and stop shaking it on stage if she didn?t want that?
:blessed:

Ray, please. LMFAO!  I love when I present you logic and you start scrambling.

And why do you keep bringing up that guy slapping Beyonc?'s ass during a part of her show that was nowhere near sexual in nature?  That's assault.  Throwing money onstage is not.  I'll defend Ashanti all day when it crosess THAT line. 



But keep reaching.
she has on a body suit, with cleavage all out
and it?s ?interactive? as you say which opens it up to anything
if this is wrong then the dude at Shan?s concert is wrong too
Pick a side bro

YEAH.

You're scrambling.

I agree that by being interactive with the crowd, she opens herself up to anything.  That's just the nature of crowd participation and making things intimate.

HOWEVER, it is not OKAY to ever physically touch anyone on their ass.  Now, we're talking about sexual assault and breaking laws.

Throwing money to someone doing a lapdance is not comparable.

You really ran out of straws! :kii:  I love bringing you to your knees.

RAY7

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Ton, and Lis don?t read this

Um wouldn?t all that apply to Ciara Gen?
Ciara is still relevant,
n
But let?s talk about the talent stuff because Ashanti sings better than Ci
is a better songwriter, actress and has sold more albums even when she?s independent
Let?s not