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Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 04:07:34 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:42:43 PMQuote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 03:32:37 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:16:40 PMnow they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLLbut hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.!!! thats the thing.....its like we've been so manipulated and brainwashed we cant even think for ourselves or follow our own instincts anymore..... i like that you're AWARE of what we're doing and how it affects nature and also our physical and mental health Awareness is not limited to black issues.People ask me about the deer/buck on my chain all the time. I align with the fact that he is strong, but still hunted at the same time. I've always had a very strong connection with animals, and its weird because the more I learn about Native belief and culture, the more I see myself in natural alignment with it, even back before when I could give two fucks about heritage or history. I always had a heart for nature.And there's still more I could to do to be a better person and to be more aware of my behavior and how it affects not only humans around me, but everything around me. We accuse so many people of playing God when it comes to something as comparatively minuscule as judging our sexual preference, but we'll turn around and kill a living being 5 minutes later with no logical reason for doing so.I know I'm going on a rant at this point so I'll just shut up. But congratulations Jacob. Lately you've been showing me there's a human on the other side of that screen, not a weird character they try to make you out to be.sdfkgsdjfhgjfhjust the idea of doing something to someone/an animal that you don't want being done to you is so ridiculous to me now...it literally cracks me up..how would humans like to be injected with hormones and steroids until they're 500 pounds while living in a shit filled tiny place....then get their face smashed in with a sledge hammer and then stabbed repeatedly for fun...and then be dissected and have your guts pulled out while you're still alive and shaking on the floor like you're having a seizure..kjhkjj like i wanna know who decided that's perfectly normal.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:42:43 PMQuote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 03:32:37 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:16:40 PMnow they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLLbut hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.!!! thats the thing.....its like we've been so manipulated and brainwashed we cant even think for ourselves or follow our own instincts anymore..... i like that you're AWARE of what we're doing and how it affects nature and also our physical and mental health Awareness is not limited to black issues.People ask me about the deer/buck on my chain all the time. I align with the fact that he is strong, but still hunted at the same time. I've always had a very strong connection with animals, and its weird because the more I learn about Native belief and culture, the more I see myself in natural alignment with it, even back before when I could give two fucks about heritage or history. I always had a heart for nature.And there's still more I could to do to be a better person and to be more aware of my behavior and how it affects not only humans around me, but everything around me. We accuse so many people of playing God when it comes to something as comparatively minuscule as judging our sexual preference, but we'll turn around and kill a living being 5 minutes later with no logical reason for doing so.I know I'm going on a rant at this point so I'll just shut up. But congratulations Jacob. Lately you've been showing me there's a human on the other side of that screen, not a weird character they try to make you out to be.
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 03:32:37 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:16:40 PMnow they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLLbut hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.!!! thats the thing.....its like we've been so manipulated and brainwashed we cant even think for ourselves or follow our own instincts anymore..... i like that you're AWARE of what we're doing and how it affects nature and also our physical and mental health
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:16:40 PMnow they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLLbut hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.
QuoteThe truth is that humans are omnivores, despite what some vegan proponents would have you believe. We function best eating BOTH animals and plants (3).Humans have much shorter digestive systems than herbivores and don?t have the specialized organs to digest cellulose, the main fiber in plants.Humans also have canines, with big brains, opposing thumbs and the ability to make tools to hunt. Meat was one of the reasons humans were able to evolve such large, elaborate brains.Some of the earliest evidence shows that our pre-human ancestors were eating meat as early as 1.5 million years ago
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:06:50 PMQuoteIn just the U.S. alone:Land animals (mostly chickens) killed for food: 8 billionMarine animals (fish and shellfish) killed for food: 100 billionThat?s 108 billion animals. Can you even comprehend that? No, you can?t.
QuoteIn just the U.S. alone:Land animals (mostly chickens) killed for food: 8 billionMarine animals (fish and shellfish) killed for food: 100 billionThat?s 108 billion animals. Can you even comprehend that? No, you can?t.
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:13:13 PMam reading arguments from both sides... and just can't decide Jacobany literature you use?
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:18:42 PMI'm on this pro-meat website and they're saying meat is very healthy and nutritious for us..... and they used this picture of a girl holding a rib ... it's really speaking to meI want a damn rib!
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:04:55 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:00:49 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PMWhy do animals kill eachother and it's ok?Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.Can't really go with both.Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be. Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide? Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.This all goes RIGHT back to our responsibility as more intelligent creatures. They know no better, we have the ability to make better decisions, being at the top of the chain.You feel it is OK to kill animals for sport and fun. That is your opinion and I'll just leave it at that. I remember you taking a pic next to a dead lion (or another creature, can't remember which one it was). So it's no surprise this is your stance. But we're just gonna keep going in circles.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:00:49 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PMWhy do animals kill eachother and it's ok?Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.Can't really go with both.Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be. Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide? Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PMWhy do animals kill eachother and it's ok?Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.Can't really go with both.Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PMQuote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PMWhy do animals kill eachother and it's ok?Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.Can't really go with both.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PMQuote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PMWhy do animals kill eachother and it's ok?Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PMWhy do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
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Quote from: ANIMMAI on November 21, 2015, 04:16:18 PMvvvvdo any of you wear leather or fur?
