Do you girls think Bey had what it took to come on to the scene solo?
Or did Mathew strategically use DC as a learning grounds for Bey until she was ready?
https://youtu.be/ZL_eRY1PvxM
https://youtu.be/PzpLkcfBe-A
https://youtu.be/8D1Zn-Ij6Mw
https://youtu.be/asXau88O5Is
Could she have been a Quartet w/ BranLiyIca?
https://youtu.be/oiXlF18-wVI
https://youtu.be/waJ1pSRNwEI
https://youtu.be/iZ30bblEjBw
https://youtu.be/_-I1LzokFTc
Yup, she wouldve been fine
I think it happened the way it was suppose to.
She basically was solo tbh
the other 3=bgvs
Kelly was maybe a feature
Not this thread again.....
Bottom line is she's still here and slaying. :udontlookok:
:dead:
As far as I'm concerned, she's been solo since 1997 but with some fancy background singers.
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
You stay asking for Tranet and that powder baby to be dragged
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
wow yea. Basically. They aren't shit now and she is. :ohwow:
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
You stay asking for Tranet and that powder baby to be dragged
do it bitch :nowgorl:
See if keyshia and her horse mouth doesn't get straggled too
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
That's kinda how I saw it
She didn't JUMP onto the scene with it all together IMO
imagine this DC lineup:
Kelly, Letoya, Latvia
:dead:
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 01:46:12 PM
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
That's kinda how I saw it
She didn't JUMP onto the scene with it all together IMO
!!
She def grew and polished herself within the group
No point of shading the other girls
She needed them as much as they need her :dead:
I mean if she was then wouldn't we have seen another Braxton's situation where only one would be signed?
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
You stay asking for Tranet and that powder baby to be dragged
Sndbbddbbfbfbffbfbfbfbfbfbfbfbfbfbffbfff
Guys; WWJD
ashitty was supposed to come out in '94 but got shelved
Just imagine all the gurs
Quote from: FINE. on November 29, 2016, 01:49:29 PM
ashitty was supposed to come out in '94 but got shelved
Just imagine all the gurs
Omg really?
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
!!!!!
I agree with this
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: FINE. on November 29, 2016, 01:49:29 PM
ashitty was supposed to come out in '94 but got shelved
Just imagine all the gurs
Omg really?
jsjs
Yeah. It's on her behind the music.
why are none of TLC successful solo artist
none of PD
none of SWV n
Bey has it. The end.
Quote from: FINE. on November 29, 2016, 01:49:29 PM
ashitty was supposed to come out in '94 but got shelved
Just imagine all the gurs
!!!!!
And '98
:plzstop: :dead:
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 01:46:12 PM
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
That's kinda how I saw it
She didn't JUMP onto the scene with it all together IMO
!!
She def grew and polished herself within the group
No point of shading the other girls
She needed them as much as they need her :dead:
!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
why are none of TLC successful solo artist
none of PD
none of SWV n
Bey has it. The end.
:sistas:
its almost like people are upset their favorite artists didnt last as long?
:overit: the way this keeps becoming a topic. Like some undercover animosity.
I mean
her solo career has eclipsed everything all the 90s girls have ever done
maybe they needed to join groups too
Out of all the mess I will say that Matthew picked some of the best girls minus LaTav' to be apart of Queen's story. I think DC is the only group in history where every girl is relevant and a success in something.
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
I mean
her solo career has eclipsed everything all the 90s girls have ever done
maybe they needed to join groups too
Wait Ray! Let's really dig into it.
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
I mean
her solo career has eclipsed everything all the 90s girls have ever done
maybe they needed to join groups too
(http://www.brandysource.net/Smileys/Bsource%20Smileys/guys.png) ray isnt here for the shit.
Quote from: K♚NG. on November 29, 2016, 02:01:30 PM
Out of all the mess I will say that Matthew picked some of the best girls minus LaTav' to be apart of Queen's story. I think DC is the only group in history where every girl is relevant and a success in something.
!!!
everyone played a part tbh
I can't imagine Bey starting out without DC in 1997-98.
If she debuted with CIL in 2002 however, then yeah.
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
I mean Bey is the LEAD singer of the group
and the songs were getting airplay in the 90s right along with Brandy Aaliyah Mo etc
Tbh she was singing a lot of the harmonies on the records too, so...
What did the group really do for her?
so why didn't she go solo of she didn't need 'em
20 years, 20 Grammys & 20 YO's sales later, I don't even think it really matters.
I mean Bey is the LEAD singer of the group
and the songs were getting airplay in the 90s right along with Brandy Aaliyah Mo etc
Tbh she was singing a lot of the harmonies on the records too, so...
What did the group really do for her?
I can't imagine solo Beyonce coming out in the 90's and slaying amongst Brandy, Aaliyah and Monica
she has IT but back then in DC they are were on almost on equal footing
she polished and strengthened whatever she had with time
and it's no secret she had the most camera time, more leads, better outfits ect
they were prepping for her stardom and it worked :dead:
I don't see the shade in that
Quote from: Baphomet. on November 29, 2016, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
I mean
her solo career has eclipsed everything all the 90s girls have ever done
maybe they needed to join groups too
(http://www.brandysource.net/Smileys/Bsource%20Smileys/guys.png) ray isnt here for the shit.
n
well let it out ray
They were on equal footing in DC?
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
I mean Bey is the LEAD singer of the group
and the songs were getting airplay in the 90s right along with Brandy Aaliyah Mo etc
Tbh she was singing a lot of the harmonies on the records too, so...
What did the group really do for her?
so why didn't she go solo of she didn't need 'em
because she liked them
and they still needed to earn a living
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
I mean Bey is the LEAD singer of the group
and the songs were getting airplay in the 90s right along with Brandy Aaliyah Mo etc
Tbh she was singing a lot of the harmonies on the records too, so...
What did the group really do for her?
so why didn't she go solo of she didn't need 'em
because she liked them
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DC was an obvious learning experience for Bey. At the beginning, she was clumsy and unpolished compared to the trinity.
Mathew could have easily made her solo but he saw value in putting her in DC first.
Not taking anything from Queen Bey.
She definitely started off talented and slaying.
I think she needed the group though at the time to still develop and grow individually.
I think her drive is what propelled her to a totally different level.
She's like one of the hardest working people PERIOD.
I believe that's also what kept her at the level she was at.
That and DC's sound is very different from Bey solo
She reinvented herself.
Not the DC girls all being on the same level talent wise back then.
How? Kelly, Let' nor "LaT' were seeing Bey vocally.
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
I mean Bey is the LEAD singer of the group
and the songs were getting airplay in the 90s right along with Brandy Aaliyah Mo etc
Tbh she was singing a lot of the harmonies on the records too, so...
What did the group really do for her?
so why didn't she go solo of she didn't need 'em
she WANTED to
I mean they were like sisters, it's not only about the industry they are human. On all the docs & biographies everyone always says Bey was very depressed after the first member switch. She LOVED them
Beyonce would have done damage if she started off solo
She would of been as big as Brandy
I honestly don't think she would be as big as she is today. The DC mess & controversy is kinda what propelled her.
Quote from: Cartier on November 29, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
DC was an obvious learning experience for Bey. At the beginning, she was clumsy and unpolished compared to the trinity.
Mathew could have easily made her solo but he saw value in putting her in DC first.
!!
Quote from: Cartier on November 29, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
DC was an obvious learning experience for Bey. At the beginning, she was clumsy and unpolished compared to the trinity.
Mathew could have easily made her solo but he saw value in putting her in DC first.
I agree with this.
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Cartier on November 29, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
DC was an obvious learning experience for Bey. At the beginning, she was clumsy and unpolished compared to the trinity.
Mathew could have easily made her solo but he saw value in putting her in DC first.
!!
!!!
Quote from: Baphomet. on November 29, 2016, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
why are none of TLC successful solo artist
none of PD
none of SWV n
Bey has it. The end.
:sistas:
is anyone gonna answer
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
You stay asking for Tranet and that powder baby to be dragged
Keysh & her lil crackhead son can get TOSSED today hon.
Quote from: Genesis on November 29, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
Beyonce would have done damage if she started off solo
She would of been as big as Brandy
Gorl Bran was HUGE
If they saw that potential in Bey off bat she wouldn't have been signed on as a group member
and y'all need to cut the Mathew shit.
He gave Bey what she wanted. SHE wanted to work hard and she still does it today. Like the old DC clips of them starting out.
She stayed glued in the studio while the others played. They needed her more than she needed them. Give me a break.
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on November 29, 2016, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
why are none of TLC successful solo artist
none of PD
none of SWV n
Bey has it. The end.
:sistas:
is anyone gonna answer
None of those girls got the amount of camera time, leads, video time, ect Beyonce had
look at the DC photoshoots and video's, they strategically placed her in all the dominant spots :dead:
Not to mention her relationship with Jay Z and having a manager like Matthew propelling her
Quote from: Baphomet. on November 29, 2016, 02:19:47 PM
and y'all need to cut the Mathew shit.
He gave Bey what she wanted. SHE wanted to work hard and she still does it today. Like the old DC clips of them starting out.
She stayed glued in the studio while the others played. They needed her more than she needed them. Give me a break.
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Gorl no one is saying she isn't a hard worker. EVERYONE knows that.
TLC and SWV were never meant to go solo. They were actual groups that felt authentic and gelled well together.
DC never felt authentic or organic as a group.
A story of the lead singer of the group becoming an even bigger solo artist is just a better a story.
There are only a few that have done it and all of them are legends.
Quote from: Cartier on November 29, 2016, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on November 29, 2016, 02:19:47 PM
They needed her more than she needed them. Give me a break.
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Gorl no one is saying she isn't a hard worker. EVERYONE knows that.
That part right there is the main point. Sit back Cart'
:dead:
In 94-95', there was Already a Girl giving this exact Mess...but on or More GRAND Scale' B-)
But I mean, If GODya' was able to Debut, and give a couple of teas!
:cheerup:
Quote from: BEST OF ME on November 29, 2016, 02:23:49 PM
TLC and SWV were never meant to go solo. They were actual groups that felt authentic and gelled well together.
right?
they were pushed as a group
DC was pushed with Beyonce as the lead :dead:
No one is saying she isn't talented or isn't a hard worker, but Bey THEN compared to what the girls were giving in the 90's wasn't comparable IMO
Beyonce debuting AFTER DC? Most Def.
Geri of Spice Girls tried it and failed
Nicole of PCD tried and failed
Left Eye tried it
And these are 3 of the biggest girl groups
Why was Bey the only one to do it?
Sometimes you have to just give a bitch credit
Quote from: Baphomet. on November 29, 2016, 02:24:26 PM
Quote from: Cartier on November 29, 2016, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on November 29, 2016, 02:19:47 PM
They needed her more than she needed them. Give me a break.
s
Gorl no one is saying she isn't a hard worker. EVERYONE knows that.
That part right there is the main point. Sit back Cart'
Entirely debatable, but ok babe.
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 02:26:56 PM
Geri of Spice Girls tried it and failed
Nicole of PCD tried and failed
Left Eye tried it
And these are 3 of the biggest girl groups
Why was Bey the only one to do it?
Sometimes you have to just give a bitch credit
love Lisa tho
I love how everyone goes in on DC for Beyonce singing lead, but ya'll got the nerve to act like SWV and TLC weren't fronted by lead vocalists. Especially SWV!
Chilli didn't even sing a solo lead on any of the singles until "No Scrubs". Dallas kept her singing "oooh'" & "aah's" like Michelle. And Lisa stayed getting YANKED out. That's why she was so pissed. But HARMONY! REAL GROUP!
Ya'll pull anything out ya ass to discredit Beyonce.
Quote from: Blond?. on November 29, 2016, 02:28:20 PM
Ya'll pull anything out ya ass to discredit Beyonce.
:oof:
she sucks
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 02:25:54 PM
Quote from: BEST OF ME on November 29, 2016, 02:23:49 PM
TLC and SWV were never meant to go solo. They were actual groups that felt authentic and gelled well together.
right?
they were pushed as a group
DC was pushed with Beyonce as the lead :dead:
No one is saying she isn't talented or isn't a hard worker, but Bey THEN compared to what the girls were giving in the 90's wasn't comparable IMO
Beyonce debuting AFTER DC? Most Def.
so since she was pushed as the LEAD why did she need the group? What did 3 less talented girls do for her?
She could've but it would've been very Ashanti-esque as far as performances go, IMO. DC def. helped Bey prepare for a solo career.
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 02:25:54 PM
Quote from: BEST OF ME on November 29, 2016, 02:23:49 PM
TLC and SWV were never meant to go solo. They were actual groups that felt authentic and gelled well together.
right?
they were pushed as a group
DC was pushed with Beyonce as the lead :dead:
No one is saying she isn't talented or isn't a hard worker, but Bey THEN compared to what the girls were giving in the 90's wasn't comparable IMO
Beyonce debuting AFTER DC? Most Def.
so since she was pushed as the LEAD why did she need the group? What did 3 less talented girls do for her?
god
(http://i.imgur.com/0TXM2XA.gif)
Quote from: TRY.It.AGAIN on November 29, 2016, 02:25:41 PM
:dead:
In 94-95', there was Already a Girl giving this exact Mess...but on or More GRAND Scale' B-)
But I mean, If GODya' was able to Debut, and give a couple of teas!
:cheerup:
OMgggggg
KELLY dragggggged the shit out of her here :plzstop:
Kelly was NEEDED
She did always have some of the most memorable parts of songs too
Yeah Bey still needed to grow clearly :dead:
Initially Leelee sung all the leads in SWV and on their debut album she didn't like how her voice sounded on the tracks so she stepped aside and let Coko.
T-Boz was TLC's sound. They didn't sound like no other got group at the time. They had their own distinct sound. I couldn't imagine Chilli leading their singles and becoming successful no offense.
Quote from: TRY.It.AGAIN on November 29, 2016, 02:25:41 PM
:dead:
In 94-95', there was Already a Girl giving this exact Mess...but on or More GRAND Scale' B-)
But I mean, If GODya' was able to Debut, and give a couple of teas!
:cheerup:
n
Every time y'all post this I just want to lash the shit out of Kelly.
I'm screaming. That ONE performance yall post of her kinda slaying Bey a bit. I lived but sdsfddfdfdf
Quote from: imani on November 29, 2016, 02:30:52 PM
She could've but it would've been very Ashanti-esque as far as performances go, IMO. DC def. helped Bey prepare for a solo career.
'Ashanti-esque' is making me SCREAM :dead: :kii:
Quote from: Blond?. on November 29, 2016, 02:28:20 PM
I love how everyone goes in on DC for Beyonce singing lead, but ya'll got the nerve to act like SWV and TLC weren't fronted by lead vocalists. Especially SWV!
Chilli didn't even sing a solo lead on any of the singles until "No Scrubs". Dallas kept her singing "oooh'" & "aah's" like Michelle. And Lisa stayed getting YANKED out. That's why she was so pissed. But HARMONY! REAL GROUP!
Ya'll pull anything out ya ass to discredit Beyonce.
!!
Quote from: BEST OF ME on November 29, 2016, 02:32:31 PM
Initially Leelee sung all the leads in SWV and on their debut album she didn't like how her voice sounded on the tracks so she passed the torch to Coko.
T-Boz was TLC's sound. They didn't sound like no other got group at the time. They had their own distinct sound. I couldn't imagine Chilli leading their singles and becoming successful no offense.
I've never heard LeeLee sing before.
Quote from: K♚NG. on November 29, 2016, 02:35:58 PM
Quote from: BEST OF ME on November 29, 2016, 02:32:31 PM
Initially Leelee sung all the leads in SWV and on their debut album she didn't like how her voice sounded on the tracks so she passed the torch to Coko.
T-Boz was TLC's sound. They didn't sound like no other got group at the time. They had their own distinct sound. I couldn't imagine Chilli leading their singles and becoming successful no offense.
I've never heard LeeLee sing before.
She sings a bit on their second album A New Beginning
Kelly WOW
What kinda SLAY
She has what it takes to really be a legend
She can really muster some mess up and really put out an amazing album and have an amazing era.
She's been like the dark horse this whole time.
If DC comes back together she may really bring this monster back out.
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
Quote from: TRY.It.AGAIN on November 29, 2016, 02:25:41 PM
:dead:
In 94-95', there was Already a Girl giving this exact Mess...but on or More GRAND Scale' B-)
But I mean, If GODya' was able to Debut, and give a couple of teas!
:cheerup:
OMgggggg
KELLY dragggggged the shit out of her here :plzstop:
Kelly was NEEDED
She did always have some of the most memorable parts of songs too
Yeah Bey still needed to grow clearly :dead:
:dead: Kell, ISHED!
It's Crazy because Destiny's "CHILD" was ALWAYS meant to Give a Patti Labelle and the Bluebells', Diana...and The Supremes' etc. I, till this Day could Not Imagine the group without KELL! (Bey, Tav, and Toy) :dead:
No matter How much Mat stragged her!
Work, Kel!
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
She can really muster some mess up and really put out an amazing album and have an amazing era.
That's the problem, she has almost everything Bey has minus the work ethic.
Then again, constantly being in Bey's shadow must've done a number on her.
Quote from: K♚NG. on November 29, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: TRY.It.AGAIN on November 29, 2016, 02:25:41 PM
:dead:
In 94-95', there was Already a Girl giving this exact Mess...but on or More GRAND Scale' B-)
But I mean, If GODya' was able to Debut, and give a couple of teas!
:cheerup:
n
Every time y'all post this I just want to lash the shit out of Kelly.
I'm so in Awe of Kelly.
She was the one who naturally had IT this whole time in the group.
She gelled it together the whole time while Bey was growing. But in the backgrounds.
Kelly is everything omg
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Kelly WOW
What kinda SLAY
She has what it takes to really be a legend
She can really muster some mess up and really put out an amazing album and have an amazing era.
She's been like the dark horse this whole time.
If DC comes back together she may really bring this monster back out.
n
She had her chance it passed. She just no longer has what it takes it seems. We were all rooting for her.
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Kelly WOW
What kinda SLAY
She has what it takes to really be a legend
She can really muster some mess up and really put out an amazing album and have an amazing era.
She's been like the dark horse this whole time.
If DC comes back together she may really bring this monster back out.
n
Quote from: K♚NG. on November 29, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Kelly WOW
What kinda SLAY
She has what it takes to really be a legend
She can really muster some mess up and really put out an amazing album and have an amazing era.
She's been like the dark horse this whole time.
If DC comes back together she may really bring this monster back out.
n
She had her chance it passed. She just no longer has what it takes it seems. We were all rooting for her.
!!!]
I'm over her now
ki
Kelly can barely sing. Pls.
I saw another glimpse of Kelly being able to SHIT in the group here too
If they have another era together she'll be the star
https://youtu.be/rgfvaC3ZAJQ
b
Young hun..
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: K♚NG. on November 29, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Kelly WOW
What kinda SLAY
She has what it takes to really be a legend
She can really muster some mess up and really put out an amazing album and have an amazing era.
She's been like the dark horse this whole time.
If DC comes back together she may really bring this monster back out.
n
She had her chance it passed. She just no longer has what it takes it seems. We were all rooting for her.
!!!]
I'm over her now
She has these random showings of greatness but it's never consistent. I think that's the issue. The girls don't drag because she doesn't have what it takes, we lash because she's late and lazy.
Praying.
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:45:45 PM
I saw another glimpse of Kelly being able to SHIT in the group here too
If they have another era together she'll be the star
https://youtu.be/rgfvaC3ZAJQ
kkk beyonce just performed for 10 minutes BEFORE kelly came out :dead:
Kelly slayed the SL dance but that's it he barely sang a word here
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:45:45 PM
If they have another era together she'll be the star
n
what the fuck do you be typing
Mon' aint doing it lol
yea
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:45:45 PM
I saw another glimpse of Kelly being able to SHIT in the group here too
If they have another era together she'll be the star
https://youtu.be/rgfvaC3ZAJQ
You use the word ABLE'...and you are very correct...might I add. :-P
Bey is Beasty, No shade! You have to really watch How the Stage choreo is Formated', post- Dc3...Kelly is not Allowed to Float across the Stage and Criss-Cross thru the girls, like Destiny's
Child' :kii:
n
needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
n
needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
n
and it's dumb
ok she grew
Brandy grew as a vocalist and artist
Aaliyah grew as an artist
Monica had beautiful gowns
No one in here said anything directly that the group did to prepare Bey for being solo, that she couldn't have done on her own
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
n
needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
n
and it's dumb
ok she grew
Brandy grew as a vocalist and artist
Aaliyah grew as an artist
Monica had beautiful gowns
No one in here said anything directly that the group did to prepare Bey for being solo, that she couldn't have done on her own
n
This thread is demonic
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My question is why are you girls shading Kelly like this?
If DC ever got back together!
N
Why can't she do it solo?
It's seems the only gorl who needed DC was Kellz
She could've and Columbia wanted just her.
Anyone who says no, is just a hater.
No, no, no, pt 1 or 2 didn't require any of the others.
It was good she started out in DC tho. It gave her a chance to work out the kinks before she went for the global domination.
Let's just say BEYONC? wouldn't be as big as she is now without DC.
But she is
Been slaying for 20 years
Not 1 flop album
You girls are gonna have to just come to terms with this
She is the Supreme
DC was so necessary for her growth as a performing artist and vocalist. No doubt about it
im sure she learned so much more about herself through her experience with the girls, then she ever
would have otherwise. they went through HELL at certain points
And vocally, through that remix with Wyclef, built an entire sound and style that was kinda crucial for her as well
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 02:11:51 PM
I can't imagine solo Beyonce coming out in the 90's and slaying amongst Brandy, Aaliyah and Monica
she has IT but back then in DC they are were on almost on equal footing
she polished and strengthened whatever she had with time
and it's no secret she had the most camera time, more leads, better outfits ect
they were prepping for her stardom and it worked :dead:
I don't see the shade in that
!!!!!
im not saying she wouldn't be SHIT, it just wouldn't be as we know and revere her NOW
how tf is that shade :uhh: :dead: Bey fans are a mess
Quote from: TRY.It.AGAIN on November 29, 2016, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 02:45:45 PM
I saw another glimpse of Kelly being able to SHIT in the group here too
If they have another era together she'll be the star
https://youtu.be/rgfvaC3ZAJQ
You use the word ABLE'...and you are very correct...might I add. :-P
Bey is Beasty, No shade! You have to really watch How the Stage choreo is Formated', post- Dc3...Kelly is not Allowed to Float across the Stage and Criss-Cross thru the girls, like Destiny's Child' :kii:
:kii: :kii: :kii: :plzstop:
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
n
needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
n
and it's dumb
ok she grew
Brandy grew as a vocalist and artist
Aaliyah grew as an artist
Monica had beautiful gowns
No one in here said anything directly that the group did to prepare Bey for being solo, that she couldn't have done on her own
it's literally asinine to sit and say that DC wasn't HUGE for her development in to superstardom IMO :dead:
whats wrong with saying that? Im almost one thousand percent sure she'd say the same. Everyone has different reasons as to why they developed into what they are :dead:
she wasn't ready until 03 IMO and now she's a megastar. Every artist is different :dead: Brandy was a different kinda
prodigy coming up at that age, but wasn't completely comfortable kicking it into adulthood like Bey
Wow Rig is saying nothing but the truth in here.
I don't know why the Hive take Bey needing DC as shade.
Well bey is a lot to handle it helped that those backround dancers of dc were there to let beys talent shine but not overdose u having something else to look at and listen to helps to accept bey more as a solo artist she over saturates
Quote from: Riggy Rig on November 30, 2016, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
n
needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
n
and it's dumb
ok she grew
Brandy grew as a vocalist and artist
Aaliyah grew as an artist
Monica had beautiful gowns
No one in here said anything directly that the group did to prepare Bey for being solo, that she couldn't have done on her own
it's literally asinine to sit and say that DC wasn't HUGE for her development in to superstardom IMO :dead:
whats wrong with saying that? Im almost one thousand percent sure she'd say the same. Everyone has different reasons as to why they developed into what they are :dead:
she wasn't ready until 03 IMO and now she's a megastar. Every artist is different :dead: Brandy was a different kinda
prodigy coming up at that age, but wasn't completely comfortable kicking it into adulthood like Bey
Im over here choking at monica having beatiful gowns
Beyonc? didn't need Destiny's Child, she was Destiny's Child.
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
My question is why are you girls shading Kelly like this?
If DC ever got back together!
N
Why can't she do it solo?
It's seems the only gorl who needed DC was Kellz
ddd yah, cause Michelle and United Harmony wee about to storm the scene!
All their crazy ass harmonies alone >>
would she even be the type to arrange all her vocals and harmonies without that incredible experience in DC, building harmonies for 3-4 girls? there's so many reasons that experience helped her become who she is
There's a reason she got up on stage and even thanked those girls before, and I don't think it was just for good PR
Destinys Child is never getting back together BTW
:blessed:
Anyway, like everyone said., I think she'd would have been popular in the 90's but I don't thik she'd be the superstar she is today.
I always find it interesting how people say the group members were irrelevant and that she didn't need them, etc. Of course she COULD have came out solo. If she did, I think it would've been a bit more challenging and taken her a bit longer to get to where she is now.
Her vocal techniques weren't as polished and her stage prescence had a few kinks. Basically, there was room to improve. The competition was also much more fierce. Several mononym female artists already existed and were at their peaks.
But yeah, she was gonna be a star regardless, and having a revolving door of several disposable D.U.F.F."group members" to shit on for a few years surely helped.
that phone interview with Wendy nnnnn
"Beyonce and the girls"
"you're always in the middle"
Sor but the way these could all be solo songs if you didn't know it
:dead:
Shoulda, woulda, coulda
The fact is she is the Superstar today and the others are flops
That's no coincidence
Quote from: jtwoeleven on November 30, 2016, 04:48:30 AMThe competition was also much more fierce. Several mononym female artists already existed and were at their peaks.
But yeah, she was gonna be a star regardless, and having a revolving door of several disposable D.U.F.F."group members" to shit on for a few years surely helped.
!!!!
You already had Mariah, Toni, Mary J Blige, Aaliyah, Brandy, Janet, Monica, ect
Quote from: Riggy Rig on November 30, 2016, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
n
needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
n
and it's dumb
ok she grew
Brandy grew as a vocalist and artist
Aaliyah grew as an artist
Monica had beautiful gowns
No one in here said anything directly that the group did to prepare Bey for being solo, that she couldn't have done on her own
it's literally asinine to sit and say that DC wasn't HUGE for her development in to superstardom IMO :dead:
whats wrong with saying that? Im almost one thousand percent sure she'd say the same. Everyone has different reasons as to why they developed into what they are :dead:
she wasn't ready until 03 IMO and now she's a megastar. Every artist is different :dead: Brandy was a different kinda
prodigy coming up at that age, but wasn't completely comfortable kicking it into adulthood like Bey
no one is saying it's shade, but it's just not logical IMO
it's not like no one knew Bey until she went solo or she was hiding in the group and practicing until she went solo lol
She was basically already solo with 3 permanent background singers
there's nothing that group did for her that she couldn't do on her own
Quote from: AYR on November 30, 2016, 07:29:22 AM
Quote from: Riggy Rig on November 30, 2016, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
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needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
n
and it's dumb
ok she grew
Brandy grew as a vocalist and artist
Aaliyah grew as an artist
Monica had beautiful gowns
No one in here said anything directly that the group did to prepare Bey for being solo, that she couldn't have done on her own
it's literally asinine to sit and say that DC wasn't HUGE for her development in to superstardom IMO :dead:
whats wrong with saying that? Im almost one thousand percent sure she'd say the same. Everyone has different reasons as to why they developed into what they are :dead:
she wasn't ready until 03 IMO and now she's a megastar. Every artist is different :dead: Brandy was a different kinda
prodigy coming up at that age, but wasn't completely comfortable kicking it into adulthood like Bey
no one is saying it's shade, but it's just not logical IMO
it's not like no one knew Bey until she went solo or she was hiding in the group and practicing until she went solo lol
She was basically already solo with 3 permanent background singers
there's nothing that group did for her that she couldn't do on her own
logical huh lol
Quote from: Baeomi on November 30, 2016, 07:46:38 AM
Quote from: AYR on November 30, 2016, 07:29:22 AM
Quote from: Riggy Rig on November 30, 2016, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
n
needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
n
and it's dumb
ok she grew
Brandy grew as a vocalist and artist
Aaliyah grew as an artist
Monica had beautiful gowns
No one in here said anything directly that the group did to prepare Bey for being solo, that she couldn't have done on her own
it's literally asinine to sit and say that DC wasn't HUGE for her development in to superstardom IMO :dead:
whats wrong with saying that? Im almost one thousand percent sure she'd say the same. Everyone has different reasons as to why they developed into what they are :dead:
she wasn't ready until 03 IMO and now she's a megastar. Every artist is different :dead: Brandy was a different kinda
prodigy coming up at that age, but wasn't completely comfortable kicking it into adulthood like Bey
no one is saying it's shade, but it's just not logical IMO
it's not like no one knew Bey until she went solo or she was hiding in the group and practicing until she went solo lol
She was basically already solo with 3 permanent background singers
there's nothing that group did for her that she couldn't do on her own
logical huh lol
yep
Quote from: Baeomi on November 30, 2016, 05:24:45 AM
Quote from: jtwoeleven on November 30, 2016, 04:48:30 AMThe competition was also much more fierce. Several mononym female artists already existed and were at their peaks.
But yeah, she was gonna be a star regardless, and having a revolving door of several disposable D.U.F.F."group members" to shit on for a few years surely helped.
!!!!
You already had Mariah, Toni, Mary J Blige, Aaliyah, Brandy, Janet, Monica, ect
Quote from: AYR on November 30, 2016, 07:29:22 AM
Quote from: Riggy Rig on November 30, 2016, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: AYR on November 29, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
n
needed time to grow, develop even
What kinda Poke' Center
:dead:
n
and it's dumb
ok she grew
Brandy grew as a vocalist and artist
Aaliyah grew as an artist
Monica had beautiful gowns
No one in here said anything directly that the group did to prepare Bey for being solo, that she couldn't have done on her own
it's literally asinine to sit and say that DC wasn't HUGE for her development in to superstardom IMO :dead:
whats wrong with saying that? Im almost one thousand percent sure she'd say the same. Everyone has different reasons as to why they developed into what they are :dead:
she wasn't ready until 03 IMO and now she's a megastar. Every artist is different :dead: Brandy was a different kinda
prodigy coming up at that age, but wasn't completely comfortable kicking it into adulthood like Bey
no one is saying it's shade, but it's just not logical IMO
it's not like no one knew Bey until she went solo or she was hiding in the group and practicing until she went solo lol
She was basically already solo with 3 permanent background singers
there's nothing that group did for her that she couldn't do on her own
!!!!!!!!!!
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That's why the "she needed time to grow" makes absolutely no sense.
Y'all make it seems like sis was in the background. She was in the front and people were eating up then like they do now
:dead:
She wouldn't have made it in the Bran Monica Aaliyah world. Her pops followed the MJ and Diana Ross formula plain and simple. Think dat was the plan from the jump. How is she da "motha" of da group if she's allegedly the youngest?
She wasn't allegedly the youngest
LaTavia was, and it's because she would get them together and focused when they acted silly
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
This is dumb :plzstop: bey coulda had ANYBODY behind ha giving ooh's oh's ah's
the point is, they're not special. Bey is :plzstop: but they all shit on Tranet, that's for sure
She would've been another Olivia or Toya. A cute single and dat would've been it. :plzstop:
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: Young on November 29, 2016, 01:46:12 PM
Quote from: Baeomi on November 29, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Sure. It just didn't work out that way. And Destiny's CHILD wouldn't have been shit without her.
she wouldn't have been shit without them lol
Let's get real
She used them as a stepping stone
That's kinda how I saw it
She didn't JUMP onto the scene with it all together IMO
!!
She def grew and polished herself within the group
No point of shading the other girls
She needed them as much as they need her :dead:
!!!!
Most of the DC albums were basically solo albums with some glorified background singers :dead: Matthew was grooming her to be a star from day one.
Quote from: Marilyn on November 29, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
why are none of TLC successful solo artist
none of PD
none of SWV n
Bey has it. The end.
pretty much :plzstop: it's always a damn mya, tranet, or flopica stan tryna figure out why Bey TRAMPED all over their fave's success. Um, cause she's better lol!
Quote from: ANIMMAI on November 30, 2016, 10:25:39 AM
Most of the DC albums were basically solo albums with some glorified background singers :dead: Matthew was grooming her to be a star from day one.
but you can't give all the credit of her success to the formula she and Matthew used. Bey ultimately deserves all that credit. Imagine if it were Blu Cantsell, Ashant', or even Teairra Marie helming Destiny's Child. Do you believe they would've ended up where Bey is now? :ohwow:
Quote from: Damnation on November 30, 2016, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on November 30, 2016, 10:25:39 AM
Most of the DC albums were basically solo albums with some glorified background singers :dead: Matthew was grooming her to be a star from day one.
but you can't give all the credit of her success to the formula she and Matthew used. Bey ultimately deserves all that credit. Imagine if it were Blu Cantsell, Ashant', or even Teairra Marie helming Destiny's Child. Do you believe they would've ended up where Bey is now? :ohwow:
Probably not but Matthew was pretty blatant about DC serving as a launching pad for Bey's solo career.
Having her sing leads on damn near every song in their catalogue
Picking girls who he knew couldn't compete with her vocally
Placing a bunch of brown girls next to the lightskinned ~lead singer (wasn't Tina making the gorls get tans? :uhh: )
Matthew and Tina had a solid plan and it worked.
I believe it. It was smart. I remember the interview where Bey talked about all the "crazy things" Matthew did for her and how it was necessary.
:uhh: :uhh: :uhh:
some of you guys are deluded. all of the girls from destinys child outside of latavia are successful in their own right. you guys act as if they are giving pcd/swv/tlc kinda feels.
they are still very relevant performing on par if not better with most of the girls sales/singlewise these days. the bitches were talented.
i'm sorry, if beyonce was gonna cut it solo she needed destiny's child she used to be a mess back in the dc days. she needed all the grooming etc it allowed her... that's final.
many girls go in as groups and only one is signed unfortunately no one saw it for her alone...... and lets not act she was/is supreme vocal beast then/now that she just had to be signed cause she wasn't in fact back in the day from audition videos Kelendria used to fucking book her...... she became a better dancer, singer, etc all because of Destiny's Child...... and brandy, monica, and aaliyah would've tossed her wig to the wolves in the 90s. her music then & now is one of no substance and wouldn't even had stood a chance in the 90s........
that is all. :sobusyjetsetter:
Quote from: Mu on November 30, 2016, 10:38:35 AMand lets not act she was/is supreme vocal beast then/now that she just had to be signed cause she wasn't in fact back in the day from audition videos Kelendria used to fucking book her
Bey has always been a vocal BEAST and Smell' has always and will always be inferior :plzstop: Bills, Bills, Bills adlibs shit all over every Smell' Rowland album vocally tbh
Quote from: Damnation on November 30, 2016, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: Mu on November 30, 2016, 10:38:35 AMand lets not act she was/is supreme vocal beast then/now that she just had to be signed cause she wasn't in fact back in the day from audition videos Kelendria used to fucking book her
Bey has always been a vocal BEAST and Smell' has always and will always be inferior :plzstop: Bills, Bills, Bills adlibs shit all over every Smell' Rowland album vocally tbh
beyonce is NO ONE's vocal BEAST!!!!! :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: let's not be deluded. even she knows that. look at the music she records now. she stopped trying to give vocal supreme and gave ratchet rap/sing&b ... this is no shade at all. we gotta do what works... she performs and sells the FUCK out of HER MUSIC now that I LOVE about her...
Quote from: Mu on November 30, 2016, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Damnation on November 30, 2016, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: Mu on November 30, 2016, 10:38:35 AMand lets not act she was/is supreme vocal beast then/now that she just had to be signed cause she wasn't in fact back in the day from audition videos Kelendria used to fucking book her
Bey has always been a vocal BEAST and Smell' has always and will always be inferior :plzstop: Bills, Bills, Bills adlibs shit all over every Smell' Rowland album vocally tbh
beyonce is NO ONE's vocal BEAST!!!!! :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: let's not be deluded. even she knows that. look at the music she records now. she stopped trying to give vocal supreme and gave ratchet rap/sing&b ... this is no shade at all. we gotta do what works... she performs and sells the FUCK out of HER MUSIC now that I LOVE about her...
wtf are you talking about? Bey sings DOWNE :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: She's a vocal powerhouse
Stevie Wonder tribute
ANY Listen performance
ANY Halo performance
All Night BRIDGE
Drunk In Love even has some career-ending belts
you're not making any damn sense here, bby :plzstop:
Lol don't Kelly and bey have similar range? Kelly was definitely hitting them high C6's on that 'emotions' or whatever song it was :dead:
and? her voice is still weak in comparison. It's cute tho, not tryna discredit her
DC was huge. Beyonce was DC.
Nothing would have changed besides the bg vocals.
Matthew, Tina, and Beyonce made that group. The others were irrelevant to dc success and were easily replaceable.
Beyonce would have been a global teen superstar.
Quote from: Damnation on November 30, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
and? her voice is still weak in comparison. It's cute tho, not tryna discredit her
They want Kelly to be amazing so bad. She's lame. Let it go
Sis would probably be BIGGER than she is now
The DC breakup hurt her a little
b
Quote from: Mu on November 30, 2016, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Damnation on November 30, 2016, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: Mu on November 30, 2016, 10:38:35 AMand lets not act she was/is supreme vocal beast then/now that she just had to be signed cause she wasn't in fact back in the day from audition videos Kelendria used to fucking book her
Bey has always been a vocal BEAST and Smell' has always and will always be inferior :plzstop: Bills, Bills, Bills adlibs shit all over every Smell' Rowland album vocally tbh
beyonce is NO ONE's vocal BEAST!!!!! :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: let's not be deluded. even she knows that. look at the music she records now. she stopped trying to give vocal supreme and gave ratchet rap/sing&b ... this is no shade at all. we gotta do what works... she performs and sells the FUCK out of HER MUSIC now that I LOVE about her...
Bey sings down :ermm:
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Love Kelly, sometimes but :dead: at someone saying they are equal vocally. Bitch whew?
https://youtu.be/DBEl7nzOB_M
5:10-5:17
Fucking plea'
Mu' is delusional and dumb as fuck. clearly.
c @ Bey not being a powerhouse.
Bey is a lot like Teresa in my sig
The most powerful Claymore :blush:
But the girls are confused
Whatmakes Teresa so great I'm faster, stronger :butim16robert:
Bey isn't the best singer or dancer
But she's able to harness the power of both at full potential
This is why she is the #1
Quote from: K♚NG. on November 30, 2016, 02:29:14 PM
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Love Kelly, sometimes but :dead: at someone saying they are equal vocally. Bitch whew?
https://youtu.be/DBEl7nzOB_M
5:10-5:17
Fucking plea'
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
A story of the lead singer of the group becoming an even bigger solo artist is just a better a story.
There are only a few that have done it and all of them are legends.
This is why I never got the theory that DC was always just a vehicle in Matthew's master plan for Bee's rise to solo superstardom. There wasn't much precedent for girl group members turned solo superstars back then for him to place all of his eggs in that basket, I mean there was Diana...who else?
Most members of even the most successful groups can't ever break away from being seen as group members, so based on statistics a safer "master plan" would have been to just launch her solo from the start.
The group formed when Bee was 8 years old, at that age solo or group likely didn't even matter. No actually I'd say any 8 year old would much prefer to be able to have what was pretty much 24-7 sleepovers with 3 of their best friends, over doing it alone. All of the girls talk about how much fun they had during that time, from a child prospective it probably felt like their own secret club, if anything that comradery is what made being in the group vs solo more appealing to her.
She always had solo star looks, was the strongest vocalist of the group, and the connection to the industry was her dad who ran the show, typically when someone uses a group to launch their career they usually lack in one of those 3 areas. She didn't need them.
You can argue that she wasn't as polished back then, but first off that's in retrospect, and mainly in comparison to what she eventually became but lers not act like she was getting picked apart for her performances back then, even then she was considered one of the better live singers of the young bunch. Secondly her potential to become what she has become now was always there group or no. Being pushed completely solo from the start would have just forced her to tap into that potential sooner rather than later.
Bey alone would have not been able to compete with Monica, Brandy and Aaliyah...
She would have come out too late and got lost in the shuffle, what made DC cool is that they filled a void of young girls that can actually sing. Their whole shtick was "girl power".
Quote from: FadedEnvy on November 30, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
A story of the lead singer of the group becoming an even bigger solo artist is just a better a story.
There are only a few that have done it and all of them are legends.
This is why I never got the theory that DC was always just a vehicle in Matthew's master plan for Bee's rise to solo superstardom. There wasn't much precedent for girl group members turned solo superstars back then for him to place all of his eggs in that basket, I mean there was Diana...who else?
Their very first single literally proclaims them as the "young Supremes" bey was supposed to be the Diana
Quote from: شيطان on November 30, 2016, 03:06:51 PM
Bey alone would have not been able to compete with Monica, Brandy and Aaliyah...
she did though
tbh she went solo around the time those 3 were at their best artistically
Monica in 03 with So Gone
Full Moon was 1 year prior and Aaliyah's after death hype was still crazy
It's not like in the group ppl looked at them as just a group
Y'all stay complaining about Bey being the focus, but now wanna backtrack
and act like it was a group focus and no one paid her directly any attention
Malcolm, shut up
Quote from: AYR on November 30, 2016, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: شيطان on November 30, 2016, 03:06:51 PM
Bey alone would have not been able to compete with Monica, Brandy and Aaliyah...
she did though
tbh she went solo around the time those 3 were at their best artistically
Monica in 03 with So Gone
Full Moon was 1 year prior and Aaliyah's after death hype was still crazy
It's not like in the group ppl looked at them as just a group
Y'all stay complaining about Bey being the focus, but now wanna backtrack
and act like it was a group focus and no one paid her directly any attention
Brandy was pregnant and laid low and Monica had become an R&B only singer, she had no crossover appeal or desire. Bey's only competition as far as pop/R&B were Mya and Ashanti. And she crushed them.
Quote from: شيطان on November 30, 2016, 03:15:13 PM
Quote from: AYR on November 30, 2016, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: شيطان on November 30, 2016, 03:06:51 PM
Bey alone would have not been able to compete with Monica, Brandy and Aaliyah...
she did though
tbh she went solo around the time those 3 were at their best artistically
Monica in 03 with So Gone
Full Moon was 1 year prior and Aaliyah's after death hype was still crazy
It's not like in the group ppl looked at them as just a group
Y'all stay complaining about Bey being the focus, but now wanna backtrack
and act like it was a group focus and no one paid her directly any attention
Brandy was pregnant and laid low and Monica had become an R&B only singer, she had no crossover appeal or desire. Bey's only competition as far as pop/R&B were Mya and Ashanti. And she crushed them.
R&B was still mainstream in 03. Monica showed up to the VMAs with that pitbull on a leash
and Bran showed up the year before with her tits out, she didn't lay low until after Sy'Rai was born
these aren't valid arguments
Quote from: شيطان on November 30, 2016, 03:10:04 PM
Quote from: FadedEnvy on November 30, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
A story of the lead singer of the group becoming an even bigger solo artist is just a better a story.
There are only a few that have done it and all of them are legends.
This is why I never got the theory that DC was always just a vehicle in Matthew's master plan for Bee's rise to solo superstardom. There wasn't much precedent for girl group members turned solo superstars back then for him to place all of his eggs in that basket, I mean there was Diana...who else?
Their very first single literally proclaims them as the "young Supremes" bey was supposed to be the Diana
All that line means is that Wyclef thought of them as a young Supremes. If it were the original plan it was a much bigger gamble than just launching her solo because the Diana story is very rare. And unlike Bee Diana was the weakest vocalist of the Supremes with and unconventional look, she needed the group to get her foot in.
Quote from: Chameleon on November 30, 2016, 10:11:39 AM
She wouldn't have made it in the Bran Monica Aaliyah world. Her pops followed the MJ and Diana Ross formula plain and simple. Think dat was the plan from the jump. How is she da "motha" of da group if she's allegedly the youngest?
She was never the youngest. Latavia was. And they were all 4 Born in 1981.
No idea about THE obviously older Michelle.
And lol @ mj/Diana formula as if it's an easy feat. For every Bey N Justin there's a nick carter and tboz / coko and latocha Scott who failed.
not latocha
Quote from: AYR on November 30, 2016, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: شيطان on November 30, 2016, 03:06:51 PM
Bey alone would have not been able to compete with Monica, Brandy and Aaliyah...
she did though
tbh she went solo around the time those 3 were at their best artistically
Monica in 03 with So Gone
Full Moon was 1 year prior and Aaliyah's after death hype was still crazy
It's not like in the group ppl looked at them as just a group
Y'all stay complaining about Bey being the focus, but now wanna backtrack
and act like it was a group focus and no one paid her directly any attention
Very true. Ppl try to act like Bey became the "it" black girl after going solo in 2003, truth is she was the "it" and most talked about Pop/R&B girl pretty much from 2000 onward, that's she was hot enough to get a Loreal contract, a Pepsi deal, roles in Carmen, Austin Powers, and The Fighting Temptation as well before DIL ever hit shelves.
Not Carmen :dead:
If you can use a group to launch a solo career Nicole scherzinger and whorebey allday would've happened. :sobusyjetsetter:
Quote from: Harlem on November 30, 2016, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: BEST OF ME on November 30, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
Not Carmen :dead:
:plzstop:
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Being in Destiny's Child helped her as a performer
If Bey came out solo in 1997 :dead: it would have been a flop
Her voice was MESS then, her country ass accent, she was mediocre and cute in 97'.
But at the same time better than everyone in her group
Bey progressed over the years in Destiny's Child, in every aspect.
It took her a good 5 years to become the "Beyonc?" solo artist and performer we see today.
Quote from: BEST OF ME on November 30, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
Not Carmen :dead:
Hey the movie wasn't a masterpiece but it was heavily hyped and promoted on MTV back then, and it was a big sucess ratings wise.
Quote from: FadedEnvy on November 30, 2016, 03:49:50 PM
Quote from: BEST OF ME on November 30, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
Not Carmen :dead:
Hey the movie wasn't a masterpiece but it was heavily hyped and promoted on MTV back then, and it was a big sucess ratings wise.
Ok.
Quote from: pettypatty on November 30, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Being in Destiny's Child helped her as a performer
If Bey came out solo in 1997 :dead: it would have been a flop
Her voice was MESS then, her country ass accent, she was mediocre and cute in 97'.
But at the same time better than everyone in her group
Bey progressed over the years in Destiny's Child, in every aspect.
It took her a good 5 years to become the "Beyonc?" solo artist and performer we see today.
Where's the rule that you have to come out the gate swinging?
Janet had 2 flop albums before she found herself and what works for her.
Quote from: Sleigh My Name on November 30, 2016, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: pettypatty on November 30, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Being in Destiny's Child helped her as a performer
If Bey came out solo in 1997 :dead: it would have been a flop
Her voice was MESS then, her country ass accent, she was mediocre and cute in 97'.
But at the same time better than everyone in her group
Bey progressed over the years in Destiny's Child, in every aspect.
It took her a good 5 years to become the "Beyonc?" solo artist and performer we see today.
Where's the rule that you have to come out the gate swinging?
Janet had 2 flop albums before she found herself and what works for her.
well that's what this thread is about :diddraispoot:
Quote from: pettypatty on November 30, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Being in Destiny's Child helped her as a performer
If Bey came out solo in 1997 :dead: it would have been a flop
Her voice was MESS then, her country ass accent, she was mediocre and cute in 97'.
But at the same time better than everyone in her group
so with all that said Destiny's Child still sold a lot of albums
so either ppl don't care how mediocre she was and still wanted to buy music for her or they liked LaTavia
Quote from: AYR on November 30, 2016, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: pettypatty on November 30, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Being in Destiny's Child helped her as a performer
If Bey came out solo in 1997 :dead: it would have been a flop
Her voice was MESS then, her country ass accent, she was mediocre and cute in 97'.
But at the same time better than everyone in her group
so with all that said Destiny's Child still sold a lot of albums
so either ppl don't care how mediocre she was and still wanted to buy music for her or they liked LaTavia
Huh :damselindistress:
Plenty of girl groups sold lots of albums. :calmdownsis:
Quote from: pettypatty on November 30, 2016, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: AYR on November 30, 2016, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: pettypatty on November 30, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Being in Destiny's Child helped her as a performer
If Bey came out solo in 1997 :dead: it would have been a flop
Her voice was MESS then, her country ass accent, she was mediocre and cute in 97'.
But at the same time better than everyone in her group
so with all that said Destiny's Child still sold a lot of albums
so either ppl don't care how mediocre she was and still wanted to buy music for her or they liked LaTavia
Huh :damselindistress:
Plenty of girl groups sold lots of albums. :calmdownsis:
not as much as DC did
:receipts:
So clearly it doesn't matter if Bey was mediocre or not
Quote from: FadedEnvy on November 30, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
A story of the lead singer of the group becoming an even bigger solo artist is just a better a story.
There are only a few that have done it and all of them are legends.
This is why I never got the theory that DC was always just a vehicle in Matthew's master plan for Bee's rise to solo superstardom. There wasn't much precedent for girl group members turned solo superstars back then for him to place all of his eggs in that basket, I mean there was Diana...who else?
Most members of even the most successful groups can't ever break away from being seen as group members, so based on statistics a safer "master plan" would have been to just launch her solo from the start.
The group formed when Bee was 8 years old, at that age solo or group likely didn't even matter. No actually I'd say any 8 year old would much prefer to be able to have what was pretty much 24-7 sleepovers with 3 of their best friends, over doing it alone. All of the girls talk about how much fun they had during that time, from a child prospective it probably felt like their own secret club, if anything that comradery is what made being in the group vs solo more appealing to her.
She always had solo star looks, was the strongest vocalist of the group, and the connection to the industry was her dad who ran the show, typically when someone uses a group to launch their career they usually lack in one of those 3 areas. She didn't need them.
You can argue that she wasn't as polished back then, but first off that's in retrospect, and mainly in comparison to what she eventually became but lers not act like she was getting picked apart for her performances back then, even then she was considered one of the better live singers of the young bunch. Secondly her potential to become what she has become now was always there group or no. Being pushed completely solo from the start would have just forced her to tap into that potential sooner rather than later.
This unfiltered TRUTH
:gorlonfire:
Quote from: Chokeme on November 30, 2016, 04:29:50 PM
Quote from: FadedEnvy on November 30, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on November 29, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
A story of the lead singer of the group becoming an even bigger solo artist is just a better a story.
There are only a few that have done it and all of them are legends.
This is why I never got the theory that DC was always just a vehicle in Matthew's master plan for Bee's rise to solo superstardom. There wasn't much precedent for girl group members turned solo superstars back then for him to place all of his eggs in that basket, I mean there was Diana...who else?
Most members of even the most successful groups can't ever break away from being seen as group members, so based on statistics a safer "master plan" would have been to just launch her solo from the start.
The group formed when Bee was 8 years old, at that age solo or group likely didn't even matter. No actually I'd say any 8 year old would much prefer to be able to have what was pretty much 24-7 sleepovers with 3 of their best friends, over doing it alone. All of the girls talk about how much fun they had during that time, from a child prospective it probably felt like their own secret club, if anything that comradery is what made being in the group vs solo more appealing to her.
She always had solo star looks, was the strongest vocalist of the group, and the connection to the industry was her dad who ran the show, typically when someone uses a group to launch their career they usually lack in one of those 3 areas. She didn't need them.
You can argue that she wasn't as polished back then, but first off that's in retrospect, and mainly in comparison to what she eventually became but lers not act like she was getting picked apart for her performances back then, even then she was considered one of the better live singers of the young bunch. Secondly her potential to become what she has become now was always there group or no. Being pushed completely solo from the start would have just forced her to tap into that potential sooner rather than later.
This unfiltered TRUTH
:gorlonfire:
:feelinmyself:
And to add to that, I'm listening to early DC Bey live vocals vs Aaliyah live around that time and... :diddraispoot:
On a side note when you posted that Claymore clip in that Ashanti/Mya/Keri vs Bey thread I instantly got hooked and binge watched all 26 Eps, and I had never even heard of that shit b4, I'm going through withdrawals. :oof: