I was just thinking about it and was overcome with emotion....
living every day, with no purpose other than serving someone else
having your future in the hands of ur master....not knowing whether or not ur child will be separated from u at the next auction..
"living" and dying on a plantation....treated no better than animals that you fed....
day by day......how did they take it? this is just unimaginable on so many levels...and the fact that I am having such a hard time thinking of the reality of such an existence proves how far we've come , but also how we take our many freedoms for granted....and use them to do things that are so frivolous and unapologetically self serving at times....
My ancestors were so strong....it's gonna take a LOT for me to complain about anything going "wrong" in life for a very long time. I just don't have the right to do it. :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: we've developed such an acceptive attitude for excuses in our community...granted, many "excuses" have valid and logical basis...but our ancestors would have no doubt taken the BLOCK that we are given today and no doubt stretched it further than the eye could see...as far as they can.
I feel sometimes we could push harder....If I could put myself on a plantation so I can just get a HINT of the desire, humility, and yearning that my ancestors had I am pretty sure I would come back a completely different man.
OK end fucking rant.
Go to bed sHerbert. :usuresis:
ignored.
:stressed:
You're so right. A lot of us have become either lazy or ungrateful. I don't know if I'd have it in me to endure all the craziness and uncertainty/danger BUT that's only because I've been afforded such a great life for the most part. Who knows what my mental makeup would be like, had I grown accustomed to that type of world.
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I complain about the smallest mess all the time when I really have been blessed. I couldn't imagine being a slave mess.
True...
So sad.
However I feel like the black community is facing the same thing . Same script almost just a different setting.
:stressed: :stressed:
I swear it makes my blood boil. children brought into the world, only to be used as an additional slave.
just the thought of being BORN into slavery. Jesus. a life given , just to be wasted on one plantation, then transported to another. your prime years spent doing something so mundane as picking cotton day in and day out....contributing to the economic growth of a country that will never reward you monetarily or recognize you. how the fuck did they do it?
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2015, 12:14:51 AM
True...
So sad.
However I feel like the black community is facing the same thing . Same script almost just a different setting.
We have freedom. I cannot comfortably say we are struggling as our ancestors did.
Yes there are institutions still in place to make sure a glass ceiling is firmly set.....
but there is opportunity and laws that actually protect us. we do NOT have it as bad as our ancestors did . I cannot agree with this
But I do agree there are FORMS of modern slavery that still exist.
we do not live as cattle, though. we have names, we have families, we have identities. we have RIGHTS. these are things our ancestors could only DREAM of.
The ex cons don't seem to come back changed after being caged like animals while some white man profits off of their labor.
Comparing our ancestors who were innocently pulled from West Africa and forced into slavery, to men who are in prison based on their choices.....
I see and understand how prison is very similar in general and totally get how many societal and familial forces within our community contribute to their choices, but your direct comparison to this context I've presented is flirting with illogic.
Quote from: CarseyWerner on November 21, 2015, 01:18:29 AM
The ex cons don't seem to come back changed after being caged like animals while some white man profits off of their labor.
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And that relates to this topic how?
Quote from: Drais. on November 21, 2015, 01:37:02 AM
Quote from: CarseyWerner on November 21, 2015, 01:18:29 AM
The ex cons don't seem to come back changed after being caged like animals while some white man profits off of their labor.
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And that relates to this topic how?
There is a correlation IMO between slavery and the prison system....but the comparison was just totally irrelevant in this instance.
Quote from: CarseyWerner on November 21, 2015, 01:18:29 AM
The ex cons don't seem to come back changed after being caged like animals while some white man profits off of their labor.
:-( I just...
No comparison at all
Prison is still paradise in comparison. Slaves did nothing wrong to deserve such a cruel life. BORN a slave and knowing NO other life ... Not allowed to read, spend time with ur family ... the possibility of being yanked from them at any moment ... Come on now. for the most part, people in prison made poor choices and made their own beds to lie in.
Quote from: RIG on November 21, 2015, 03:09:31 AM
No comparison at all
Prison is still paradise in comparison. Slaves did nothing wrong to deserve such a cruel life. BORN a slave and knowing NO other life ... Not allowed to read, spend time with ur family ... the possibility of being yanked from them at any moment ... Come on now. for the most part, people in prison made poor choices and made their own beds to lie in.
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Yh imagine your wife being used as a sex slave, ending up pregnant and having the babies taken away, sold or drowned.
Imagine being a female slave and having your own babies being taken away, sold or killed, or a slave child watching your parents being whipped, hung or worked to death.
Growing up knowing one day you'll never see your parents or family again
Being denied education, faith & religion.
Knowing that stepping one foot out of line could cost you your life.
Your captors pitting you against each other by, age, gender and complexion
Being a mother and not having the right to care for your own babies but care for the white women's babies, seeing them recieve all the luxuries and rights you'd die for your child to recieve.
Not having ANYONE to protect your own rights, or look out for you.
Being treated as cattle, lined up and inspected by your psychical attributes, whether it's for labour or sex.
I don't hate white people, but they've gotten away with some of the worst kind of crimes against humanity.
Lol sherbert
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 05:24:36 AM
Yh imagine your wife being used as a sex slave, ending up pregnant and having the babies taken away, sold or drowned.
Imagine being a female slave and having your own babies being taken away, sold or killed, or a slave child watching your parents being whipped, hung or worked to death.
Growing up knowing one day you'll never see your parents or family again
Being denied education, faith & religion.
Knowing that stepping one foot out of line could cost you your life.
Your captors pitting you against each other by, age, gender and complexion
Being a mother and not having the right to care for your own babies but care for the white women's babies, seeing them recieve all the luxuries and rights you'd die for your child to recieve.
Not having ANYONE to protect your own rights, or look out for you.
Being treated as cattle, lined up and inspected by your psychical attributes, whether it's for labour or sex.
I don't hate white people, but they've gotten away with some of the worst kind of crimes against humanity.
:stressed:
Thought about slavery, and colonialism and its effect on the present the other day and it made me so angry I actually started crying. It's extremely disgusting to imagine what has been done to an entire people based on their skin complexion.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
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how the fuck did they do it?
because they knew nothing else. it was NORMAL to them .waking up and picking cotton to them was just as normal as us logging into to bsource and checking to see if bran dropped that mixtape. :raycharles2urmess:
Quote from: Nicholas_Styles on November 21, 2015, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
:stressed: :stressed:
how the fuck did they do it?
because they knew nothing else. it was NORMAL to them .waking up and picking cotton to them was just as normal as us logging into to bsource and checking to see if bran dropped that mixtape. :raycharles2urmess:
the only thing is, you don't run from a sense of normality.
if it were that comfortably normal to be a slave, there would not be a such thing as a runaway slave.
this is how many of them came in contact with Indians. They wanted safety. Not to tell the Chief how fabulous and normal their plantation life was. :dead:
I cannot understand how you guys can so comfortably compare slavery to things like logging into BSource :uhh: :plzstop:
They were raped, they were whipped. They were LITERALLY treated like animals. Their kids were taken from them. But yeah I'm sure they were tweeting "woo just another day of #slavelife :letsmessfag: " throughout the entire ordeal
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 11:37:30 AM
Quote from: Nicholas_Styles on November 21, 2015, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
:stressed: :stressed:
how the fuck did they do it?
because they knew nothing else. it was NORMAL to them .waking up and picking cotton to them was just as normal as us logging into to bsource and checking to see if bran dropped that mixtape. :raycharles2urmess:
the only thing is, you don't run from a sense of normality.
if it were that comfortably normal to be a slave, there would not be a such thing as a runaway slave.
this is how many of them came in contact with Indians. They wanted safety. Not to tell the Chief how fabulous and normal their plantation life was. :dead:
I cannot understand how you guys can so comfortably compare slavery to things like logging into BSource :uhh: :plzstop:
They were raped, they were whipped. They were LITERALLY treated like animals. Their kids were taken from them. But yeah I'm sure they were tweeting "woo just another day of #slavelife :letsmessfag: " throughout the entire ordeal
im just saying you said HOW DID THEY DO IT as in how did they wake up as a slave and do tht shit everyday.
they knew of nothing else! They had nothing else to compare it to to know that life could be different
Quote from: Nicholas_Styles on November 21, 2015, 11:43:10 AM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 11:37:30 AM
Quote from: Nicholas_Styles on November 21, 2015, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
:stressed: :stressed:
how the fuck did they do it?
because they knew nothing else. it was NORMAL to them .waking up and picking cotton to them was just as normal as us logging into to bsource and checking to see if bran dropped that mixtape. :raycharles2urmess:
the only thing is, you don't run from a sense of normality.
if it were that comfortably normal to be a slave, there would not be a such thing as a runaway slave.
this is how many of them came in contact with Indians. They wanted safety. Not to tell the Chief how fabulous and normal their plantation life was. :dead:
I cannot understand how you guys can so comfortably compare slavery to things like logging into BSource :uhh: :plzstop:
They were raped, they were whipped. They were LITERALLY treated like animals. Their kids were taken from them. But yeah I'm sure they were tweeting "woo just another day of #slavelife :letsmessfag: " throughout the entire ordeal
im just saying you said HOW DID THEY DO IT as in how did they wake up as a slave and do tht shit everyday.
they knew of nothing else! They had nothing else to compare it to to know that life could be different
Nothing else to compare it to?
r u kidding me
how about taking a GLIMPSE into the house of the people they served?
or watching their master's kids treated like royalty while theirs were treated like trash :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh:
When these women had their CHILDREN pried out of their hands .. they didn't shrug it off and accept it
THink Nick. Even an ANIMAL mourns the loss of its child. A dog or cat can get jealous of a newborn in the household.
Do you not think our ancestors were smart enough to realize they were humans, but not treated as such?
Many of them WROTE of their experiences, as the best they could due to their limited literacy.
Betty Cofer
Quote"Yes'm, I saw some slaves sold away from the plantation, four men and two women, both of 'em with little babies. The traders got 'em. Sold 'em down to Mobile, Alabama. One was my pappy's sister. We never heard from her again."
Lancy Harris
Quote"Ma bed had fo' posts and a cord running from pos' to pos' to make spring. We sleep in a room wid pot racks near the fire place, a barrel of soap up in a corner, but the floors wus white like a bread tray. Everything wus in one room."
Source: WPA Slave Narrativeshttp://newdeal.feri.org/asn/asn00.htm
Charles Williams
Quote"I knows one Beauty thing erbout myself. I cin ackomplush anything I lays my mits apond."
:stressed:
They wanted MORE.
It's really heartbreaking to think about
Quote from: Nine on November 21, 2015, 11:59:55 AM
It's really heartbreaking to think about
It really is. Like, that's the only life they got. There's no coming back, no do overs. And that makes me so sad, and fucking angry.
I was so tempted to look into getting rid of my last name, and replacing it with my great grandmother's maiden name. It's like ..... you want NO part of it. If I can't remove the slave rape DNA, I'll get rid of the fucking name. I know my father's family got this name from a Georgian slave master. But then I remember, this is a part of us. It's our history, we cannot try to remove it in any way. Draw from it, discuss it, learn from it. Don't forget it, and be proud of it. Not proud of what our ancestors endured, but proud of their strength and their sacrifices made so that we could live a better life. Not a perfect life, but a better one.
I see whites hate us. We don't back the fuck down. :ohwow:
Not comparing slavery to bsource
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Jjjjjj and the furthest you could get to freedom was the board index
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nick is a fucking kii cackle (http://45.media.tumblr.com/e513599b72155330a4621999b47959a8/tumblr_nuj5plZUk41qjcp2eo2_250.gif)
He's fucking stupid
:omgwatshappening:
i hada dream tht i was on a plantations a few weeks 'go...i dnt wann' go into detail but i did wake up in tears
Quote from: Nicholas_Styles on November 21, 2015, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
:stressed: :stressed:
how the fuck did they do it?
because they knew nothing else. it was NORMAL to them .waking up and picking cotton to them was just as normal as us logging into to bsource and checking to see if bran dropped that mixtape. :raycharles2urmess:
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I saw Nick at JR's last weekend and a bottle of Dencia's spot remover cream fell out
I didn't say anything then, but it definitely made me question his whole "mixed" story he's been telling us
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I wasn't making a comparison, I was just making an observation. :uhh: I get it though, people here are so used to someone trying to stir up debate.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: Nine on November 21, 2015, 11:59:55 AM
It's really heartbreaking to think about
It really is. Like, that's the only life they got. There's no coming back, no do overs. And that makes me so sad, and fucking angry.
I was so tempted to look into getting rid of my last name, and replacing it with my great grandmother's maiden name. It's like ..... you want NO part of it. If I can't remove the slave rape DNA, I'll get rid of the fucking name. I know my father's family got this name from a Georgian slave master. But then I remember, this is a part of us. It's our history, we cannot try to remove it in any way. Draw from it, discuss it, learn from it. Don't forget it, and be proud of it. Not proud of what our ancestors endured, but proud of their strength and their sacrifices made so that we could live a better life. Not a perfect life, but a better one.
I see whites hate us. We don't back the fuck down. :ohwow:
I don't think it's removing your history by getting rid of the slave name. I think that it would make your ancestors proud. I see it more as a restoration as opposed to an erasure.
Quote from: CarseyWerner on November 21, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
I wasn't making a comparison, I was just making an observation. :uhh: I get it though, people here are so used to someone trying to stir up debate.
I see what you mean. But I have to still stand by this..
it makes sense why many ex cons come out of prison unchanged.
They are released as criminals, with a criminal record.
Not as a freed person with a clean slate, suddenly with more equal rights that they didn't previously possess.
A former slave is now "free".
A former free person is labeled a "prisoner", then labeled an "ex-con" upon their exit.
And I cannot align with your observation because there is proof that many of our ancestors SCRAMBLED to teach one another how to read once they were free. They sold their land at extremely discounted prices in order to make room for schoolhouses. Anyone who already knew how to read in the community was seen as a hero, and they taught other blacks how to do the same free of charge. Our people were united by their excitement of freedom and had an amazing sense of community that many of us do not have. They had a FIRE to get things going.
So I cannot comfortably include ex-cons in any discussion regarding their struggle and hunger.
Quote from: CarseyWerner on November 21, 2015, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: Nine on November 21, 2015, 11:59:55 AM
It's really heartbreaking to think about
It really is. Like, that's the only life they got. There's no coming back, no do overs. And that makes me so sad, and fucking angry.
I was so tempted to look into getting rid of my last name, and replacing it with my great grandmother's maiden name. It's like ..... you want NO part of it. If I can't remove the slave rape DNA, I'll get rid of the fucking name. I know my father's family got this name from a Georgian slave master. But then I remember, this is a part of us. It's our history, we cannot try to remove it in any way. Draw from it, discuss it, learn from it. Don't forget it, and be proud of it. Not proud of what our ancestors endured, but proud of their strength and their sacrifices made so that we could live a better life. Not a perfect life, but a better one.
I see whites hate us. We don't back the fuck down. :ohwow:
I don't think it's removing your history by getting rid of the slave name. I think that it would make your ancestors proud. I see it more as a restoration as opposed to an erasure.
I see what you mean.
I think I took my father's family into consideration more than anything. And how they would feel if I got rid of my last name. It's one instance where I definitely had to put my own feelings and mini-crusades to the side and consider how my decisions may impact others very close to me emotionally. I can't assume that they'd understand, even if I explained it to them.
youre not getting my point. so never mind
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 01:34:10 PM
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I saw Nick at JR's last weekend and a bottle of Dencia's spot remover cream fell out
I didn't say anything then, but it definitely made me question his whole "mixed" story he's been telling us
QUEEN im already light enough luv
Quote from: Nicholas_Styles on November 21, 2015, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 01:34:10 PM
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I saw Nick at JR's last weekend and a bottle of Dencia's spot remover cream fell out
I didn't say anything then, but it definitely made me question his whole "mixed" story he's been telling us
QUEEN im already light enough luv
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.. you told me you had a BBC
:hmph:
not to go off topic but your thread really got me thinking
there was a time when blacks were just seen as animals and 'property'.....we were seen as lesser than (well its still going on today)
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered .....kjjgh there's so much hypocrisy and selfcenteredness in this world
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
not to go off topic but your thread really got me thinking
there was a time when blacks were just seen as animals and 'property'.....we were seen as lesser than (well its still going on today)
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered .....kjjgh there's so much hypocrisy and selfcenteredness in this world
????
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
not to go off topic but your thread really got me thinking
there was a time when blacks were just seen as animals and 'property'.....we were seen as lesser than (well its still going on today)
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered .....kjjgh there's so much hypocrisy and selfcenteredness in this world
Did I NOT make a thread about why we feel its OK to kill insects/animals as we please, even when they pose no threat?
men SHOOTING down deer just to decorate their fucking livingrooms and mess.
these animals have lives, and families. they have communities. and they cry and grieve when they lose them. just like we do. they fight to keep them, just like we do.
u guys laughed at me initially, but I am glad you get it.
Don't think I would've been a slave long
I would've burned down master and the entire family at midnight
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
not to go off topic but your thread really got me thinking
there was a time when blacks were just seen as animals and 'property'.....we were seen as lesser than (well its still going on today)
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered .....kjjgh there's so much hypocrisy and selfcenteredness in this world
Do you still wanna toss cats out of a window? :fuming:
yes i remember being one of the people looking at you like :everythingok: but im finally seeing the light
it just goes to show how fucked up we are...the fact that even now i think chickens, pigs, cows deserve to live more than say, an insect....
but i still kinda feel like with INSECTS/rats specifically, its different....and they invade out personal space.....they're sneaky, tryna get all in your food and contaminate it, crawl over you when you're sleeping....like why cant you stay in he fucking tree or flowers or wherever you're from....why are you in my house creeping me out and making me feel uncomfortable?
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
not to go off topic but your thread really got me thinking
there was a time when blacks were just seen as animals and 'property'.....we were seen as lesser than (well its still going on today)
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered .....kjjgh there's so much hypocrisy and selfcenteredness in this world
Religiously and Scientifically it makes sense
And those two run EVERYTHING
The world is a long way from treating every living creature equal
I mean, a tree is a living creature as well, but I don't see many folks shedding a tear when they're cut
We're a dominate species.
Quote from: SUPREME on November 21, 2015, 02:33:33 PM
Don't think I would've been a slave long
I would've burned down master and the entire family at midnight
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i would have led a revolt of sorts.. i really would have rallied the other slaves and killed his whole family only sparing the twink son :raycharles2urmess:
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:34:16 PM
yes i remember being one of the people looking at you like :everythingok: but im finally seeing the light
it just goes to show how fucked up we are...the fact that even now i think chickens, pigs, cows deserve to live more than say, an insect....
but i still kinda feel like with INSECTS/rats specifically, its different....and they invade out personal space.....they're sneaky, tryna get all in your food and contaminate it, crawl over you when you're sleeping....like why cant you stay in he fucking tree or flowers or wherever you're from....why are you in my house creeping me out and making me feel uncomfortable?
:omgwatshappening:
Wait
Because I'm sure you're living in a building that destroyed the homes of millions of insects and some wild life
Are you comparing black people to animals?
Animals are almost all 100% instinctual beings.
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:34:16 PM
yes i remember being one of the people looking at you like :everythingok: but im finally seeing the light
it just goes to show how fucked up we are...the fact that even now i think chickens, pigs, cows deserve to live more than say, an insect....
but i still kinda feel like with INSECTS/rats specifically, its different....and they invade out personal space.....they're sneaky, tryna get all in your food and contaminate it, crawl over you when you're sleeping....like why cant you stay in he fucking tree or flowers or wherever you're from....why are you in my house creeping me out and making me feel uncomfortable?
it's OK to eliminate something if it is a threat to your own health and safety.
even animals and reptiles do this.
a snake doesn't go LOOKING for humans to bite
but if a human crosses its path it may see the human as a threat and strike.
only because its not as intelligent as we are...to know that the human comes in peace and doesn't want any mess.
rats are dangerous to humans. it's well within our natural right to eliminate a threat. just as any other species would.
but the problem is when we just smash, shoot, kill and burn mess for the sport of it.
and lemme take the intelligence of a snake mess back a bit
because sometimes we may see things and ASSUME its a threat when it isn't.
whether its one of us seeing a snake...or a white womuh seeing a tall black man in the streets at night.
so when it comes to these instincts we're really no more well equipped than animals. we base a lot of our actions off of very little evidence and logic.
Quote from: SUPREME on November 21, 2015, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:34:16 PM
yes i remember being one of the people looking at you like :everythingok: but im finally seeing the light
it just goes to show how fucked up we are...the fact that even now i think chickens, pigs, cows deserve to live more than say, an insect....
but i still kinda feel like with INSECTS/rats specifically, its different....and they invade out personal space.....they're sneaky, tryna get all in your food and contaminate it, crawl over you when you're sleeping....like why cant you stay in he fucking tree or flowers or wherever you're from....why are you in my house creeping me out and making me feel uncomfortable?
:omgwatshappening:
Wait
Because I'm sure you're living in a building that destroyed the homes of millions of insects and some wild life
im sure I am.....and I could go perch in a tent in a jungle somewhere and feel good that some animals habitat wasn't destroyed just so i can have an apartment...
its not easy because of the way we;re used to living....just like it is NOT easy for people to just become vegan after a lifetime of being told by doctors to drink milk, eat eggs, cheese, meat and all this other disgusting, toxic animal junk that nature did NOT intend for human beings to consume
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 02:41:30 PM
Are you comparing black people to animals?
im comparing
human beings to animals
like what makes us so special? because we're mentally more advanced?
there's a lot of amazing things animals can do that humans cant
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 02:53:15 PM
and lemme take the intelligence of a snake mess back a bit
because sometimes we may see things and ASSUME its a threat when it isn't.
whether its one of us seeing a snake...or a white womuh seeing a tall black man in the streets at night.
so when it comes to these instincts we're really no more well equipped than animals. we base a lot of our actions off of very little evidence and logic.
!!!!
humans are exactly like animals in that sense
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now they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLL
but hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.
I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.
Wait... didn't the old board keep getting reported repeatedly by some activist group?
and now... Jacob is Mrs. Peta
Jacob? hun?
:diddraispoot:
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
now they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLL
but hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.
I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.
!!! thats the thing.....its like we've been so manipulated and brainwashed we cant even think for ourselves or follow our own instincts anymore.....
i like that you're AWARE of what we're doing and how it affects nature and also our physical and mental health
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 03:28:51 PM
Wait... didn't the old board keep getting reported repeatedly by some activist group?
and now... Jacob is Mrs. Peta
Jacob? hun?
:diddraispoot:
nnnnnn
i aint a motherfucking activist
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
now they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLL
but hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.
I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.
!!! thats the thing.....its like we've been so manipulated and brainwashed we cant even think for ourselves or follow our own instincts anymore.....
i like that you're AWARE of what we're doing and how it affects nature and also our physical and mental health
:stressed:
:wub:
Awareness is not limited to black issues.
People ask me about the deer/buck on my chain all the time. I align with the fact that he is strong, but still hunted at the same time. I've always had a very strong connection with animals, and its weird because the more I learn about Native belief and culture, the more I see myself in natural alignment with it, even back before when I could give two fucks about heritage or history. I always had a heart for nature.
And there's still more I could to do to be a better person and to be more aware of my behavior and how it affects not only humans around me, but everything around me. We accuse so many people of playing God when it comes to something as comparatively minuscule as judging our sexual preference, but we'll turn around and kill a living being 5 minutes later with no logical reason for doing so.
I know I'm going on a rant at this point so I'll just shut up. :dead: :plzstop: But congratulations Jacob. Lately you've been showing me there's a human on the other side of that screen, not a weird character they try to make you out to be.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
Herb and Stewie, you make good points. I'm stanning right now. :indiaarie:
Quote from: squid on November 21, 2015, 03:45:44 PM
Herb and Stewie, you make good points. I'm stanning right now. :indiaarie:
:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
!!
Thank you! I tried to explain this to a friend and these were the words I missed during the debate. :plzstop:
If you argue this through would you then say it's ethical to kill human beings in favor of animals?
Is it morally correct in a hypothetical scenario to kill a human being in order to rescue a worm from dying under the human's wrath?
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
Humans aren't from the Earth... we're parasites that landed from far away... that's why we don't fit in or act like anything else
Quote from: squid on November 21, 2015, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
!!
Thank you! I tried to explain this to a friend and these were the words I missed during the debate. :plzstop:
:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
because nature INTENDED for them to eat other animals
example meat eating animals (carnivores ) have strong hydrochloric acid in their stomachs to digest meat. Herbivores (eg humans) have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that.
thats why 75% of the population if lactose intolerance and many have dairy/meat related disgestive problems......and lets not get into cancer and a whole bunch of other diseases that we try and 'cure' with useless drugs instead of waking up and realizing its the junk we're being told to put in our bodies
the funny thing is how the food industry markets that term 'lactose intolerance' as if there's something 'wrong' with our digestive system......our digestive systems our perfectly fine....its just that
nature did not intend for u to consume dairy productswe're 99% genetically similar to apes, and they're herbivores..thats a clue right there
also we're the ONLY creatures on this earth who eat excretions from other animals ...honey ( bee's vomit), milk, eggs (a hens menstruation/period), and cheese....its just not natural....
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
I think you're misinterpreting the term animal rights
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
because nature INTENDED for them to eat other animals
example meat eating animals (carnivores ) have strong hydrochloric acid in their stomachs to digest meat. Herbivores (eg humans) have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that.
thats why 75% of the population if lactose intolerance and many have dairy/meat related disgestive problems......and lets not get into cancer and a whole bunch of other diseases that we try and 'cure' with useless drugs instead of waking up and realizing its the junk we're being told to put in our bodies
the funny thing is how the food industry markets that term 'lactose intolerance' as if there's something 'wrong' with our digestive system......our digestive systems our perfectly fine....its just that nature did not intend for u to consume dairy products
we're 99% genetically similar to apes, and they're herbivores..thats a clue right there
also we're the ONLY creatures on this earth who eat excretions from other animals ...honey ( bee's vomit), milk, eggs (a hens menstruation/period), and cheese....its just not natural....
book :omgwatshappening:
This makes sense of why we must COOK and process meats before consuming them
or we risk huge trouble. but we can pick apples or PULL veggies from the ground and be perfectly fine.
A lion can rip a bull apart and eat it alive
and go about its business perfectly healthy.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's an innate instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be. Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide? Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.
Dairy is disgusting. Meat is healthy and makes you strong.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be. Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide? Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.
This all goes RIGHT back to our responsibility as more intelligent creatures. They know no better, we have the ability to make better decisions, being at the top of the chain.
You feel it is OK to kill animals for sport and fun. That is your opinion and I'll just leave it at that. I remember you taking a pic next to a dead lion (or another creature, can't remember which one it was). So it's no surprise this is your stance. But we're just gonna keep going in circles.
Well human immune systems also aren't shit in comparison to wildlife
In fact our bodies aren't, which is why we can't survive outside like every other creature there is and rely on our creativity to keep us alive
I understand the vegan view, but it's just not practical imo
I just feel like if were capable of something, it must be for a reason.
We were blessed with "advanced" intelligence.
QuoteIn just the U.S. alone:
Land animals (mostly chickens) killed for food: 8 billion
Marine animals (fish and shellfish) killed for food: 100 billion
That?s 108 billion animals. Can you even comprehend that? No, you can?t.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
now they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLL
but hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.
I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.
!!! thats the thing.....its like we've been so manipulated and brainwashed we cant even think for ourselves or follow our own instincts anymore.....
i like that you're AWARE of what we're doing and how it affects nature and also our physical and mental health
:stressed:
:wub:
Awareness is not limited to black issues.
People ask me about the deer/buck on my chain all the time. I align with the fact that he is strong, but still hunted at the same time. I've always had a very strong connection with animals, and its weird because the more I learn about Native belief and culture, the more I see myself in natural alignment with it, even back before when I could give two fucks about heritage or history. I always had a heart for nature.
And there's still more I could to do to be a better person and to be more aware of my behavior and how it affects not only humans around me, but everything around me. We accuse so many people of playing God when it comes to something as comparatively minuscule as judging our sexual preference, but we'll turn around and kill a living being 5 minutes later with no logical reason for doing so.
I know I'm going on a rant at this point so I'll just shut up. :dead: :plzstop: But congratulations Jacob. Lately you've been showing me there's a human on the other side of that screen, not a weird character they try to make you out to be.
sdfkgsdjfhgjfh
just the idea of doing something to someone/an animal that you don't want being done to you is so ridiculous to me now...it literally cracks me up..
how would humans like to be injected with hormones and steroids until they're 500 pounds while living in a shit filled tiny place....then get their face smashed in with a sledge hammer and then stabbed repeatedly for fun...and then be dissected and have your guts pulled out while you're still alive and shaking on the floor like you're having a seizure..
kjhkjj like i wanna know who decided that's perfectly normal.
We are the only beings who can defy nature and still survive.
QuoteEvery year, more than 100 million unwanted male chicks are ground up alive or tossed into plastic bags to suffocate.
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
now they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLL
but hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.
I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.
!!! thats the thing.....its like we've been so manipulated and brainwashed we cant even think for ourselves or follow our own instincts anymore.....
i like that you're AWARE of what we're doing and how it affects nature and also our physical and mental health
:stressed:
:wub:
Awareness is not limited to black issues.
People ask me about the deer/buck on my chain all the time. I align with the fact that he is strong, but still hunted at the same time. I've always had a very strong connection with animals, and its weird because the more I learn about Native belief and culture, the more I see myself in natural alignment with it, even back before when I could give two fucks about heritage or history. I always had a heart for nature.
And there's still more I could to do to be a better person and to be more aware of my behavior and how it affects not only humans around me, but everything around me. We accuse so many people of playing God when it comes to something as comparatively minuscule as judging our sexual preference, but we'll turn around and kill a living being 5 minutes later with no logical reason for doing so.
I know I'm going on a rant at this point so I'll just shut up. :dead: :plzstop: But congratulations Jacob. Lately you've been showing me there's a human on the other side of that screen, not a weird character they try to make you out to be.
sdfkgsdjfhgjfh
just the idea of doing something to someone/an animal that you don't want being done to you is so ridiculous to me now...it literally cracks me up..
how would humans like to be injected with hormones and steroids until they're 500 pounds while living in a shit filled tiny place....then get their face smashed in with a sledge hammer and then stabbed repeatedly for fun...and then be dissected and have your guts pulled out while you're still alive and shaking on the floor like you're having a seizure..
kjhkjj like i wanna know who decided that's perfectly normal.
:plea:
QuoteThe truth is that humans are omnivores, despite what some vegan proponents would have you believe. We function best eating BOTH animals and plants (3).
Humans have much shorter digestive systems than herbivores and don?t have the specialized organs to digest cellulose, the main fiber in plants.
Humans also have canines, with big brains, opposing thumbs and the ability to make tools to hunt. Meat was one of the reasons humans were able to evolve such large, elaborate brains.
Some of the earliest evidence shows that our pre-human ancestors were eating meat as early as 1.5 million years ago
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:06:50 PM
QuoteIn just the U.S. alone:
Land animals (mostly chickens) killed for food: 8 billion
Marine animals (fish and shellfish) killed for food: 100 billion
That?s 108 billion animals. Can you even comprehend that? No, you can?t.
:-o
am reading arguments from both sides... and just can't decide Jacob
any literature you use?
I agree about animal cruelty being wrong... the way we cultivate our meat is wrong.
but am considering veganism or vegetarianism. literature on that would be neat Jacob!
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:06:50 PM
QuoteIn just the U.S. alone:
Land animals (mostly chickens) killed for food: 8 billion
Marine animals (fish and shellfish) killed for food: 100 billion
That?s 108 billion animals. Can you even comprehend that? No, you can?t.
jjjhjhjjhhh :uhh:
the human population is like 7 billion
sucks to be a pig, chicken, cow or fish....
and also who decided that dogs are a mans best friend...adorable! cute! and that its perfectly fine to torture and eat a pig.....when pigs are smarter and more trainable than dogs
(http://static.tumblr.com/5d57d5e2c4815897359c56bd4546b985/n9jaxcm/G17mrconq/tumblr_static_pigletcute.jpg)
(http://dreamatico.com/data_images/dog/dog-5.jpg)
vvvv
do any of you wear leather or fur?
Is there any proof that animals have religion, spirituality, morals?
sssss
now see :dead:
I'm on this pro-meat website and they're saying meat is very healthy and nutritious for us..... and they used this picture of a girl holding a rib ... it's really speaking to me
(http://authoritynutrition.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/girl-eating-meat.jpg)
I want a damn rib!
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:13:13 PM
am reading arguments from both sides... and just can't decide Jacob
any literature you use?
i watch a lot of youtube videos especially by people that used to be meat eaters and are now vegan
but start with this video:
really interesting presentation
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:18:42 PM
I'm on this pro-meat website and they're saying meat is very healthy and nutritious for us..... and they used this picture of a girl holding a rib ... it's really speaking to me
(http://authoritynutrition.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/girl-eating-meat.jpg)
I want a damn rib!
ddd this pic looks disgusting :usureuok:
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be. Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide? Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.
This all goes RIGHT back to our responsibility as more intelligent creatures. They know no better, we have the ability to make better decisions, being at the top of the chain.
You feel it is OK to kill animals for sport and fun. That is your opinion and I'll just leave it at that. I remember you taking a pic next to a dead lion (or another creature, can't remember which one it was). So it's no surprise this is your stance. But we're just gonna keep going in circles.
Don't you prasie pork won-tons 24/7. Sis if you can't handle killing an animal, don't fucking eat a QUANTUM of meat, cause you are being hypocritical and not worthy of the meat anyways.
Am mean am consequent.
:cheerup:
[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/xZaU-SuV2i/?taken-by=malcolmmusic[/instagram]
My baby cousin already know how to CATCH and FINISH these chickens.
Are you trying to say all human cultures are disgusting and ethically fallable?
Us GODFricans would not be as strong, to do all the physical labor, if we didn't shred these animals and eat them.
[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/zBlzsUOVwo/?taken-by=malcolmmusic[/instagram]
Tyra mode enabled
Quote from: squid on November 21, 2015, 04:22:49 PM
Tyra mode enabled
He started bringing up personal history. I am just here to FINISH it.
:cheerup:
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:19:58 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be. Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide? Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.
This all goes RIGHT back to our responsibility as more intelligent creatures. They know no better, we have the ability to make better decisions, being at the top of the chain.
You feel it is OK to kill animals for sport and fun. That is your opinion and I'll just leave it at that. I remember you taking a pic next to a dead lion (or another creature, can't remember which one it was). So it's no surprise this is your stance. But we're just gonna keep going in circles.
Don't you prasie pork won-tons 24/7. Sis if you can't handle killing an animal, don't fucking eat a QUANTUM of meat, cause you are being hypocritical and not worthy of the meat anyways.
Am mean am consequent.
:cheerup:
[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/xZaU-SuV2i/?taken-by=malcolmmusic[/instagram]
]]dfffff
:mmyulost:
I can agree that animals for nourishment is understandable. Even Natives hunted for their food and devoured every part of animals, even the lungs and brain. But the difference is that they revered these animals, and thanked them for their contributions to food supply and clothing (there were no Macy's outlets around). This goes back to having a reason, though.
They didn't just SHOOT them down to decorate their fucking house. Or to upload pics to Twitter. Or because they were annoyed by looking at them. Every animal has a spirit and real feelings and that is to be respected. This is really my problem. The unapologetic lack of respect.
hold up
Jacob... it's saying that I would have to give up ALL products that come from animals..
which means that I wouldn't be able to have cakes and all my other comfort snacks
sssssss
nah iono about that bruh
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
Malcolm, I worship CHEESE wontons. :dead:
Not pork. I'm not a huge fan of meat consumption.
You'll never catch me raving about a burger or steak, or chicken, etc.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:22:11 PM
My baby cousin already know how to CATCH and FINISH these chickens.
Are you trying to say all human cultures are disgusting and ethically fallable?
Us GODFricans would not be as strong, to do all the physical labor, if we didn't shred these animals and eat them.
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that energy damn sure is not coming from meat
africans eat VERY VERY little meat...like very little....our diets are mostly starch and vegetables...
the energy is from starches..
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:24:27 PM
I can agree that animals for nourishment is understandable. Even Natives hunted for their food and devoured every part of animals, even the lungs and brain. But the difference is that they revered these animals, and thanked them for their contributions to food supply and clothing (there were no Macy's outlets around). This goes back to having a reason, though.
They didn't just SHOOT them down to decorate their fucking house. Or to upload pics to Twitter. Or because they were annoyed by looking at them. Every animal has a spirit and real feelings and that is to be respected. This is really my problem. The unapologetic lack of respect.
Well that is a different point altogether. If this about HOW you eat and kill them you'd have a point, but you were talking IF it is okay to eat them.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:19:58 PM
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Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be. Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide? Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.
This all goes RIGHT back to our responsibility as more intelligent creatures. They know no better, we have the ability to make better decisions, being at the top of the chain.
You feel it is OK to kill animals for sport and fun. That is your opinion and I'll just leave it at that. I remember you taking a pic next to a dead lion (or another creature, can't remember which one it was). So it's no surprise this is your stance. But we're just gonna keep going in circles.
Don't you prasie pork won-tons 24/7. Sis if you can't handle killing an animal, don't fucking eat a QUANTUM of meat, cause you are being hypocritical and not worthy of the meat anyways.
Am mean am consequent.
:cheerup:
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as disgusting as this pic is i wanna fuck your brains out
macho, west african self
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
hold up
Jacob... it's saying that I would have to give up ALL products that come from animals..
which means that I wouldn't be able to have cakes and all my other comfort snacks
sssssss
nah iono about that bruh
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The range of vegan sweets and desserts is pretty wide. Vegan chocolate cupcakes >>
And it's mostly the sugar that makes the taste anyway. :whatfuneralbill:
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 01:18:43 PM
there was no logout button hun. :udontlookok:
i can't
I need him to do some more research. Dead @ slavery being reduced and belittled to just picking some damn cotton and washing dishes
n
Quote from: squid on November 21, 2015, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
hold up
Jacob... it's saying that I would have to give up ALL products that come from animals..
which means that I wouldn't be able to have cakes and all my other comfort snacks
sssssss
nah iono about that bruh
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The range of vegan sweets and desserts is pretty wide. Vegan chocolate cupcakes >>
And it's mostly the sugar that makes the taste anyway. :whatfuneralbill:
I'm gonna try these cupcakes
.... is there vegan whipped cream?
..... maybe we can try some together
convert me into a full 'egan
:helloimangie:
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
also we're the ONLY creatures on this earth who eat excretions from other animals ...honey ( bee's vomit), milk, eggs (a hens menstruation/period), and cheese....its just not natural....
m
Lions love ostrich eggs and many spieces of snakes eat almost exclusively eggs
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
I'm not a huge fan of meat consumption.
Not a huge fan but you still indulge every and now and then. So you are neither vegan nor vegetarian.
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Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:27:41 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:24:27 PM
I can agree that animals for nourishment is understandable. Even Natives hunted for their food and devoured every part of animals, even the lungs and brain. But the difference is that they revered these animals, and thanked them for their contributions to food supply and clothing (there were no Macy's outlets around). This goes back to having a reason, though.
They didn't just SHOOT them down to decorate their fucking house. Or to upload pics to Twitter. Or because they were annoyed by looking at them. Every animal has a spirit and real feelings and that is to be respected. This is really my problem. The unapologetic lack of respect.
Well that is a different point altogether. If this about HOW you eat and kill them you'd have a point, but you were talking IF it is okay to eat them.
My whole point is the respect for creatures. And at least having a reason. I can accept nourishment as being a reason.
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Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
I'm not a huge fan of meat consumption.
Not a huge fan but you still indulge every and now and then. So you are neither vegan nor vegetarian.
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Did I ever claim to be?
sssssssssss
Mack wants to see a white flag :dead:
Quote from: SUPREME on November 21, 2015, 04:05:19 PM
Well human immune systems also aren't shit in comparison to wildlife
In fact our bodies aren't, which is why we can't survive outside like every other creature there is and rely on our creativity to keep us alive
I understand the vegan view, but it's just not practical imo
I just feel like if were capable of something, it must be for a reason.
We were blessed with "advanced" intelligence.
and animals also have unique abilities and can do almost supernatural things...smell things froma mile away, change color, speed.....i was reading that jellyfishes can restart their lifecycle
QuoteWhen injured, the jellyfish can return to the ocean floor and turn herself back into a polyp, the juvenile form of a jellyfish
why is our intelligence so much more 'special' than the kind of intelligence animals have?
We were not talking about people who kill animals for literally no reason, we discussed wether it is ethical to kill animals, period. Stick to the discussion at hand.
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And killing them for literally no reason is like throwing away fruits or other foods. A waste of nutrition and resources and therefore inherently stupid and also decadent.
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: squid on November 21, 2015, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
hold up
Jacob... it's saying that I would have to give up ALL products that come from animals..
which means that I wouldn't be able to have cakes and all my other comfort snacks
sssssss
nah iono about that bruh
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The range of vegan sweets and desserts is pretty wide. Vegan chocolate cupcakes >>
And it's mostly the sugar that makes the taste anyway. :whatfuneralbill:
I'm gonna try these cupcakes
.... is there vegan whipped cream?
..... maybe we can try some together
convert me into a full 'egan
:helloimangie:
Yes there is. :supluv:
Let's make some cakes (http://i.imgur.com/5c7r72q.gif)
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:22:11 PM
My baby cousin already know how to CATCH and FINISH these chickens.
Are you trying to say all human cultures are disgusting and ethically fallable?
Us GODFricans would not be as strong, to do all the physical labor, if we didn't shred these animals and eat them.
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that energy damn sure is not coming from meat
africans eat VERY VERY little meat...like very little....our diets are mostly starch and vegetables...growing up it
the energy is from starches..
Bby, nothing like a SKRONG pepper soup. That can do wonders.
:howfestive:
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:37:17 PM
We were not talking about people who kill animals for literally no reason
Posted by myself pages ago:
QuoteWe accuse so many people of playing God when it comes to something as comparatively minuscule as judging our sexual preference, but we'll turn around and kill a living being 5 minutes later with no logical reason for doing so.
Nice try though, Malcolm.
I've accepted nourishment as a reason. But my stance remains unchanged.
Yh Africans don't eat that much eat
We actually kinda treasure our animals
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: SUPREME on November 21, 2015, 04:05:19 PM
Well human immune systems also aren't shit in comparison to wildlife
In fact our bodies aren't, which is why we can't survive outside like every other creature there is and rely on our creativity to keep us alive
I understand the vegan view, but it's just not practical imo
I just feel like if were capable of something, it must be for a reason.
We were blessed with "advanced" intelligence.
and animals also have unique abilities and can do almost supernatural things...smell things froma mile away, change color, speed.....i was reading that jellyfishes can restart their lifecycle
QuoteWhen injured, the jellyfish can return to the ocean floor and turn herself back into a polyp, the juvenile form of a jellyfish
why is our intelligence so much more 'special' than the kind of intelligence animals have?
because we can control literally everything about our environment
We're a superior species, that can't be denied.
If aliens were to exist and were far more advanced than us, I'm sure they'd feel the same way we do when we squish an ant, unfortunately.
What's going on in here?
:young:
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Hey Hun' ????
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Hey Hun' ????
hey bvy :wub:
wat u up2 :supluv:
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
hold up
Jacob... it's saying that I would have to give up ALL products that come from animals..
which means that I wouldn't be able to have cakes and all my other comfort snacks
sssssss
nah iono about that bruh
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jhjkhjhjj
there are PLENTY of snacks that are naturally vegan....the obvious one is every type of chips...basically the whole chips aisle....and nuts
then breads....
and then there's vegan cakes.....remember cake is flour, sugar, oil and eggs, and sometimes milk (which can be substituted with plant based milks).....all of these are plant based except for eggs.....
eggs for damn sure are not the reason why cakes taste delicious....they're just a binding agent....im still doing research on what substitutes are used...
finding substitutes for dairy is really the least of your problems
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Hey Hun' ????
hey bvy :wub:
wat u up2 :supluv:
Not much
Babysitting these lil bastards
Baby boys are evil????
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....
THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."
That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.
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Quote from: squid on November 21, 2015, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on November 21, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
hold up
Jacob... it's saying that I would have to give up ALL products that come from animals..
which means that I wouldn't be able to have cakes and all my other comfort snacks
sssssss
nah iono about that bruh
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The range of vegan sweets and desserts is pretty wide. Vegan chocolate cupcakes >>
And it's mostly the sugar that makes the taste anyway. :whatfuneralbill:
!!!!!!!
i still have to try vegan cakes
like there's so many snack options that i havent even thought about cakes yet
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 04:42:12 PM
Yh Africans don't eat that much eat
We actually kinda treasure our animals
Nobody said differently, sis.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 04:42:12 PM
Yh Africans don't eat that much eat
We actually kinda treasure our animals
Nobody said differently, sis.
i was skimming the thread and I was agreeing with Stewie
Didn't read the FABLES you were posting lol
Look for a battle elsewhere ????
if you saw stewie's post about African meat consumption, you saw what i wrote as well. I was just making something clear lol.
I like to be accurate and thorough.
:cheerup:
Like I said
I was skimming
Go away ????
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....
THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."
That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.
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theres's several aspects to this and we have been talking about all of it ....the animal cruelty aspect of it AND the physical and mental health of humans AND the awareness aspect of it and how we dont realize how conditioned and manipulated by the media or government into thinking in a certain way...
herbert never claimed he was tryna go vegan....his thing has always been about awareness and the messed up way in which humans think
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....
THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."
That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.
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I admit, I was a bit derailed by the whole vegan mess, but returned to my original position.
I didn't introduce the morality of meat consumption into this discussion. I engaged for a bit, then backed out, after realizing that I can accept meat consumption as a reason. We can touch and agree on that.
However, the killing of animals for sport and out of sheer annoyance, and GLORIFICATION of animal slayings such as photos, etc. is still disrespectful in my eyes.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....
THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."
That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.
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I admit, I was a bit derailed.
I can appreciate this.
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Quotethe killing of animals for sport and out of sheer annoyance, and GLORIFICATION of animal slayings such as photos, etc. is still disrespectful in my eyes.
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sss
well if yawl are leaving I am too
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And you made asinine and weakly researched comments about myself. The cow was not killed to be displayed via social media. The animal was killed to be eaten for a a very special celebratory cultural event, wich I happened to document for relatives and friends who are not in my paternal home village, and for them to see and a get a glimpse of how my home country is. Actually manually killing your animals, instead of running to the next grocery store and buying it packaged. See the reality of it.
That is NOT deer hunting to decorate your house. Accuracy is key.
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Wait, I didn't even really argue the whole consumption thing. :dead:
That was Jacob doing most of that.
I said he had some good points about intolerance, and I said that makes sense why we have to cook meat.
and that was like 1 post. :dead:
Malcolm, every post I had with you was in regard to killing animals for sport and fun. :uhh:
I really wasn't derailed.
p
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be. Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide? Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.
This all goes RIGHT back to our responsibility as more intelligent creatures. They know no better, we have the ability to make better decisions, being at the top of the chain.
You feel it is OK to kill animals for sport and fun. That is your opinion and I'll just leave it at that. I remember you taking a pic next to a dead lion (or another creature, can't remember which one it was). So it's no surprise this is your stance. But we're just gonna keep going in circles.
I'm trying to find where we argued about animal consumption...can you find it?
I think our definitions of derailment may differ from one another. You're taking it as I completely switched gears and became Veggie Victoria. I see it as I quoted and made note of good points Jacob made, and then right back to condemning animal killings for glorification, sport and fun.
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
And you made asinine and weakly researched comments about myself. The cow was not killed to be displayed via social media. The animal was killed to be eaten for a a very special celebratory cultural event, wich I happened to document for relatives and friends who are not in my paternal home village, and for them to see and a get a glimpse of how my home country is. Actually manually killing your animals, instead of running to the next grocery store and buying it packaged. See the reality of it.
That is NOT deer hunting to decorate your house. Accuracy is key.
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not with that cutlass in your hand....if it was manual you would be able to snatch that creature with your bare teeth...just like a lion does to a zebra
humans do not need meat for nourishment....that is a lie that has been shoved down our throats by health "professionals" for decades...we're much better off without it health wise
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
And you made asinine and weakly researched comments about myself. The cow was not killed to be displayed via social media. The animal was killed to be eaten for a a very special celebratory cultural event, wich I happened to document for relatives and friends who are not in my paternal home village, and for them to see and a get a glimpse of how my home country is. Actually manually killing your animals, instead of running to the next grocery store and buying it packaged. See the reality of it.
That is NOT deer hunting to decorate your house. Accuracy is key.
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not with that cutlass in your hand....if it was manual you would be able to snatch that creature with your bare teeth...just like a lion does to a zebra
humans do not need meat for nourishment....that is a lie that has been shoved down our throats by health "professionals" for decades...we're much better off without it health wise
same with eggs and dairy
Did you know 60% of black people cant tolerate milk because our ancestors never needed it
We can get the same meat proteins from plants and eggs
Dairy is only pushed, because the milk people make up a huge percentage of the FDA so their propaganda is that milk is a must
It actually reverses bone strength and density, and is responsible for so many of out allergies
Dairy, milk and lactose are the devil.
I just said that
:udontlookok:
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 05:10:26 PM
I'm trying to find where we argued about animal consumption...can you find it?
Malc bvy? :usureuok:
Good luck, cuz I searched pages and did not find it.
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Honestly it seems like you're one who got a little off track in our exchange, bringing up wontons and mess as if I blatantly said it was wrong to eat meat or something. My reference to your photo was in perfect alignment with my condemnation of what I find to be glorification and sport of animal killing. (Now whether or not that was the intent of your photo, is not up to me, I can only say how I see it).
!!!!! i was reading just a few days ago how it does the OPPOSITE of what 'professionals' say it does in terms of bone strength density
mnmnmn
a mess
its all about money to the meat and diary industry
it will take us a couple more decades to finally realize all of this
My post referred to Stewie's initiating statement that we should not slaughter and butcher animals, you then proceeded to quote me and made it something else.
What is so hard to get, Afro.
:udontlookok:
What happened in here
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
And you made asinine and weakly researched comments about myself. The cow was not killed to be displayed via social media. The animal was killed to be eaten for a a very special celebratory cultural event, wich I happened to document for relatives and friends who are not in my paternal home village, and for them to see and a get a glimpse of how my home country is. Actually manually killing your animals, instead of running to the next grocery store and buying it packaged. See the reality of it.
That is NOT deer hunting to decorate your house. Accuracy is key.
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not with that cutlass in your hand....if it was manual you would be able to snatch that creature with your bare teeth...just like a lion does to a zebra
humans do not need meat for nourishment....that is a lie that has been shoved down our throats by health "professionals" for decades...we're much better off without it health wise
same with eggs and dairy
Did you know 60% of black people cant tolerate milk because our ancestors never needed it
!!! and are labeled 'lactose intolerant' as if there's something wrong with our bodies
no...whats wrong (and disgusting) is drinking ANOTHER animals milk kjkjkjkj
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
It was LITERALLY about whether it is OK to kill animals or not. Nothing more or less.
You assumed something, I never addressed or stated and thereby changed the intitial discussion point. And you made false allegations and assumptions.
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Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 05:10:26 PM
I'm trying to find where we argued about animal consumption...can you find it?
Malc bvy? :usureuok:
Good luck, cuz I searched pages and did not find it.
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Honestly it seems like you're one who got a little off track in our exchange, bringing up wontons and mess as if I blatantly said it was wrong to eat meat or something. My reference to your photo was in perfect alignment with my condemnation of what I find to be glorification and sport of animal killing. (Now whether or not that was the intent of your photo, is not up to me, I can only say how I see it).
I'll wait. (http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 05:30:00 PM
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
And you made asinine and weakly researched comments about myself. The cow was not killed to be displayed via social media. The animal was killed to be eaten for a a very special celebratory cultural event, wich I happened to document for relatives and friends who are not in my paternal home village, and for them to see and a get a glimpse of how my home country is. Actually manually killing your animals, instead of running to the next grocery store and buying it packaged. See the reality of it.
That is NOT deer hunting to decorate your house. Accuracy is key.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
not with that cutlass in your hand....if it was manual you would be able to snatch that creature with your bare teeth...just like a lion does to a zebra
humans do not need meat for nourishment....that is a lie that has been shoved down our throats by health "professionals" for decades...we're much better off without it health wise
same with eggs and dairy
Did you know 60% of black people cant tolerate milk because our ancestors never needed it
!!! and are labeled 'lactose intolerant' as if there's something wrong with our bodies
no...whats wrong (and disgusting) is drinking ANOTHER animals milk kjkjkjkj
I always hated that. I remember arguing with the Wiki gorls why it is categorized as "metabolic disorder", when that is jus the regular status quo for the vast majority of human population. Drinking milk is just not healthy for you.
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 05:30:00 PM
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
And you made asinine and weakly researched comments about myself. The cow was not killed to be displayed via social media. The animal was killed to be eaten for a a very special celebratory cultural event, wich I happened to document for relatives and friends who are not in my paternal home village, and for them to see and a get a glimpse of how my home country is. Actually manually killing your animals, instead of running to the next grocery store and buying it packaged. See the reality of it.
That is NOT deer hunting to decorate your house. Accuracy is key.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
not with that cutlass in your hand....if it was manual you would be able to snatch that creature with your bare teeth...just like a lion does to a zebra
humans do not need meat for nourishment....that is a lie that has been shoved down our throats by health "professionals" for decades...we're much better off without it health wise
same with eggs and dairy
Did you know 60% of black people cant tolerate milk because our ancestors never needed it
!!! and are labeled 'lactose intolerant' as if there's something wrong with our bodies
no...whats wrong (and disgusting) is drinking ANOTHER animals milk kjkjkjkj
ggggg
White people are crazy
Black people never had the ability to process milk
Human babies need human milk to grow, once were done growing why are we still drinking it? lol
Cats don't drink our milk
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 05:30:00 PM
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
And you made asinine and weakly researched comments about myself. The cow was not killed to be displayed via social media. The animal was killed to be eaten for a a very special celebratory cultural event, wich I happened to document for relatives and friends who are not in my paternal home village, and for them to see and a get a glimpse of how my home country is. Actually manually killing your animals, instead of running to the next grocery store and buying it packaged. See the reality of it.
That is NOT deer hunting to decorate your house. Accuracy is key.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
not with that cutlass in your hand....if it was manual you would be able to snatch that creature with your bare teeth...just like a lion does to a zebra
humans do not need meat for nourishment....that is a lie that has been shoved down our throats by health "professionals" for decades...we're much better off without it health wise
same with eggs and dairy
Did you know 60% of black people cant tolerate milk because our ancestors never needed it
!!! and are labeled 'lactose intolerant' as if there's something wrong with our bodies
no...whats wrong (and disgusting) is drinking ANOTHER animals milk kjkjkjkj
ggggg
White people are crazy
Black people never had the ability to process milk
Human babies need human milk to grow, once were done growing why are we still drinking it? lol
Cats don't drink our milk
right .....the guy in the presentation i posted was saying if anything its more normal for an adult to drink milk produced from a mothers breast than to drink milk from from a cow.....
why do we (as adults) cringe at the thought of drinking milk from a woman ( a human being)....yet a cows milk is so 'delicious'? kjkjkjkjkj....the whole thing is a mess
Hhhhh humanity is fucked
I bet the gorillas are cackling behind our backs
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
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who banned me :udontlookok:
If Stewie doesn't shutup about this vegan mess already.
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leave my ghanian cousin alone half honk :usureuok:
Yh watch it mudblood
Excuse ME?
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Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 05:30:38 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 05:10:26 PM
I'm trying to find where we argued about animal consumption...can you find it?
Malc bvy? :usureuok:
Good luck, cuz I searched pages and did not find it.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
Honestly it seems like you're one who got a little off track in our exchange, bringing up wontons and mess as if I blatantly said it was wrong to eat meat or something. My reference to your photo was in perfect alignment with my condemnation of what I find to be glorification and sport of animal killing. (Now whether or not that was the intent of your photo, is not up to me, I can only say how I see it).
I'll wait. (http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
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Between this and Alek I think he's scrambling
R u blind?
Still waiting on those receipts, luv.
Map out the derailment of my argument throughout this thread.
It started off as me condemning sport and fun made out of pointless animal killing
it continued as such as I argued directly with you
and it ended that way.
I want to see a receipt of where I switched gears to argue something totally different with u.
You're usually quick with quotes, wonder what's taking so long. (http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
It was LITERALLY about whether it is OK to kill animals or not. Nothing more or less.
You assumed something, I never addressed or stated and thereby changed the intitial discussion point. And you made false allegations and assumptions.
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Quoting yourself, not quoting me, hun.
Quote the derailment of my argument regarding my feelings about killing animals without logical reason and little thought.
What is so hard about what I'm asking?
I just want to see the point in which I switched gears during my argument with u. Maybe it's something I am missing. Point it out for me, luv. :stressed:
don't worry bvy, i'll keep waiting. (http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 07:27:00 PM
Quoting yourself, not quoting me, hun.
Quote the derailment of my argument!
What is so hard about what I'm asking?
sssss It should be rather easy to locate.
i'll keep waiting. (http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8fade2f8fa61cb83a7bd5fbe4750d6/tumblr_mfx2ooYgkK1qk6zdio1_400.gif)
Do I have to break it down for you.
STEWIE started the discussion and laid the hypothesis down.
I responded to the discussion HE initiated, you proceeded to quote ME and talk to ME and therefore interact the statement I made towards the initial debate: "Is killing animals ok?"...
You quoted me and accused me of opposing something, I never did oppose and made it something entirely different.
I could have stopped you then and there, yes, but you were still the one who SHIFTED initial topic of the comment I had made towards Stewie's discussion.
Can you acknowledge that? I could have stopped you then and there, but it only became extra clear later that you had not propely understood the nature of my comment/question, and therefor I corrected you later.
I hope you could follow luv.
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Receipts, hun. All this talk, but no paper trail.
Evidence is key in proving this. Just quote me. Much quicker than writing essays about your point.
Find the receipts. :supluv: BACK it up.
Reference your source. That's all I am asking! :cheerup:
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
Here you fucking go. Where did I say you should be able to kill them just because. You made it something it was not.
My statement was about killing animals period. Animals kill to eat, we kill to eat. It was pretty clear I was talking about killing for a reason.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.
Can't really go with both.
Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.
WHERE DID I DO THAT? WHERE? Show me the receipts?
In this very moment you got derailed and assumed something that was simply not there.
Now, deflect THAT, sis.
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Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered ....
THIS was the starting point and initiator of the discussion. The hypothesis was: "It is unethical to slaughter and butcher animals."
That is what my contribution referred to, that you then started quoting, and now making changes to the initial discussion. You got derailed from the jump, Herb.
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I admit, I was a bit derailed by the whole vegan mess, but returned to my original position.
I didn't introduce the morality of meat consumption into this discussion. I engaged for a bit, then backed out, after realizing that I can accept meat consumption as a reason. We can touch and agree on that.
However, the killing of animals for sport and out of sheer annoyance, and GLORIFICATION of animal slayings such as photos, etc. is still disrespectful in my eyes.
This where you shoulda stopped luv.
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Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
Here you fucking go. Where did I say you should be able to kill them just because. You made it something it was not.
My statement was about killing animals period. Animals kill to eat, we kill to eat. It was pretty clear I was talking about killing for a reason.
You didn't specify what the animal was killing the other animal for.
I took your statement as a reference to perhaps a cat chasing a mouse around for fun. And eventually killing it. But not eating it.
You need to be specific if you want specific answers.
Again, this ALL goes back to what I originally was talking about, which is killing animals for fun and sport. I had to acknowledge that animals , too, sometimes take part in killing animals just because they are around. But as humans we are better equipped to think more of our actions before we do it. As in, some dumb teens thinking twice before they decide to throw a cat around their yard or kill it. Thinking twice before some self exalting honkey shoots down a deer to decorate his livingroom.
You were not specific at all. So you left much to my interpretation.
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
Here you fucking go. Where did I say you should be able to kill them just because. You made it something it was not.
My statement was about killing animals period. Animals kill to eat, we kill to eat. It was pretty clear I was talking about killing for a reason.
You didn't specify what the animal was killing the other animal for.
I took your statement as a reference to perhaps a cat chasing a mouse around for fun.
You need to be specific if you want specific answers.
Again, this ALL goes back to what I originally was talking about, which is killing animals for fun and sport. I had to acknowledge that animals , too, sometimes take part in killing animals just because they are around. But as humans we are better equipped to think more of our actions before we do it. As in, some dumb teens thinking twice before they decide to throw a cat around their yard or kill it. Thinking twice before some self exalting honkey shoots down a deer to decorate his livingroom.
You were not specific at all. So you left much to my interpretation.
It is very specific, in that it is not specific at all, therefore assuming I am talking about senseless killing is simply, I am sorry, STUPID. It is about killing animals, period. Like LITERALLY period.
It was about killing animals in general, and you narrowed it down to illogical killing. Can you please acknowledge that?
Quote from: Amir on November 21, 2015, 07:18:25 PM
Between this and Alek I think he's scrambling
dummy self
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?
Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.
Here you fucking go. Where did I say you should be able to kill them just because. You made it something it was not.
My statement was about killing animals period. Animals kill to eat, we kill to eat. It was pretty clear I was talking about killing for a reason.
You didn't specify what the animal was killing the other animal for.
I took your statement as a reference to perhaps a cat chasing a mouse around for fun.
You need to be specific if you want specific answers.
Again, this ALL goes back to what I originally was talking about, which is killing animals for fun and sport. I had to acknowledge that animals , too, sometimes take part in killing animals just because they are around. But as humans we are better equipped to think more of our actions before we do it. As in, some dumb teens thinking twice before they decide to throw a cat around their yard or kill it. Thinking twice before some self exalting honkey shoots down a deer to decorate his livingroom.
You were not specific at all. So you left much to my interpretation.
It was about killing animals in general, and you narrowed it down to illogical killing. Can you please acknowledge that?
I just did acknowledge that Malcolm. Did you not read what I typed just now? :dead:
You were not specific and I responded to what I felt you were asking.
That's like asking "Why do blacks hate whites?"
One could decide to take that down the avenue of slavery, or they could take it down the avenue of police brutality, etc.
If someone wants a specific response, the question would be, "Why do blacks still hate whites for slavery?" this would open the door for me to discuss something very specific, instead of being given an opportunity to go down whichever road I choose.
You opened many roads and I decided to take the one of my choice. Be more specific next time if you want a more narrowed discussion.
Understand the context before making comments inapplicable to the situation at hand. If the question is general, the answer or discussion is general too.
You know what they say about people who assume...
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 07:47:54 PM
Understand the context before making comments inapplicable to the situation at hand. If the question is general, the answer or discussion is general too.
You know what they say about people who assume...
Well the discussion at hand was in regards to my feelings about people killing animals for fun and sport....Jacob and I were having that discussion...well, before you chimed in.
So maybe it's important
you understand the context before jumping in next time. We're done lol
Just take this damn L, you fought hard, but it is pretty clear, you connected the dots a bit to quickly. Still luv ya.
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Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 07:47:54 PM
Understand the context before making comments inapplicable to the situation at hand. If the question is general, the answer or discussion is general too.
You know what they say about people who assume...
Well the discussion at hand was in regards to my feelings about people killing animals for fun and sport....Jacob and I were having that discussion...well, before you chimed in.
So maybe it's important you understand the context before jumping in next time. We're done lol
Bitch ho
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Quote from: Drais. on November 21, 2015, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 07:47:54 PM
Understand the context before making comments inapplicable to the situation at hand. If the question is general, the answer or discussion is general too.
You know what they say about people who assume...
Well the discussion at hand was in regards to my feelings about people killing animals for fun and sport....Jacob and I were having that discussion...well, before you chimed in.
So maybe it's important you understand the context before jumping in next time. We're done lol
Bitch ho
mmmmmmmm
:wellheythere:
Quote from: Herbie on November 21, 2015, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 07:47:54 PM
Understand the context before making comments inapplicable to the situation at hand. If the question is general, the answer or discussion is general too.
You know what they say about people who assume...
Well the discussion at hand was in regards to my feelings about people killing animals for fun and sport....
Not it was not. Why are you lying? The discussion was about Stew's veganism mess and whether it is ok to butcher animals, and everybody including you brought their own perspective to HIS discussion. This seems a bit self-absorbed to think your feelings were the core of the discussion, they were not, they were your feelings towards it.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Quote from: Stewie on November 21, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
not to go off topic but your thread really got me thinking
there was a time when blacks were just seen as animals and 'property'.....we were seen as lesser than (well its still going on today)
yet we do the same exact thing to animals and don't even want to acknowledge it...we think its fine to butcher and slaughter animals but are so cowardly and weak that we cant even watch them get butchered .....kjjgh there's so much hypocrisy and selfcenteredness in this world
This right here, is the essence of the discussion.
Read and read carefully. Everything that followed was a reaction to THIS. Not a reaction to YOU.
Butchering very, very strongly implies EATING them. You took his statement for something it wasn't and made it your own "Squat flies for fun" mess, which was besides the point. If this was an essay or a debate, you would get an F for missing the topic.
What's going on? :dead:
Quote from: Drais. on November 21, 2015, 06:17:37 PM
Excuse ME?
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jjhghjgggg this satanic wig
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Two wins, one day.
King of Debate, tbh.
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What just happened
This thread title fjjjj
Wow Malcom
U got me Jayden and af in the same day. Good job.
You actually made sense and were right in both threads
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The world must be ending
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2015, 08:29:02 PM
Wow Malcom
U got me Jayden and af in the same day. Good job.
You actually made sense and were right in both threads
nnn
Luv you too, sis.
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Do yall consider the killing of lobster as slaughter?
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2015, 08:29:02 PM
Wow Malcom
U got me and Jayden
I ended my discussion with him because clearly his posts were addressing Jacob, not me. I assumed he was addressing me and responded as such. Him accusing me of straying from my stance still makes no sense. It remained consistent throughout the thread.
He accused me of derailment, when my posts remained the same from the beginning to the end of the discussion. His accusation would make sense if I went from posting about vegan stuff into something different. This is where I took issue.
Maybe a little "self absorbed" to assume his replies were to my posts? I can agree. Derailed? Nope. He's still wrong. He did not specify whether he was addressing me or Jacob - which is quite essential considering that: 1) according to him, we were talking about two different things and 2) he posed a vaguely general question that either one of us could have answered -- either in regard to butchering for consumption or killing for sport.
And that's kind of it with me. You gorls can speak for yourselves.
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 21, 2015, 08:38:09 PM
Do yall consider the killing of lobster as slaughter?
yes
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Quote from: Herbie on November 20, 2015, 11:57:35 PM
I was just thinking about it and was overcome with emotion....
living every day, with no purpose other than serving someone else
having your future in the hands of ur master....not knowing whether or not ur child will be separated from u at the next auction..
"living" and dying on a plantation....treated no better than animals that you fed....
day by day......how did they take it? this is just unimaginable on so many levels...and the fact that I am having such a hard time thinking of the reality of such an existence proves how far we've come , but also how we take our many freedoms for granted....and use them to do things that are so frivolous and unapologetically self serving at times....
My ancestors were so strong....it's gonna take a LOT for me to complain about anything going "wrong" in life for a very long time. I just don't have the right to do it. :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: we've developed such an acceptive attitude for excuses in our community...granted, many "excuses" have valid and logical basis...but our ancestors would have no doubt taken the BLOCK that we are given today and no doubt stretched it further than the eye could see...as far as they can.
I feel sometimes we could push harder....If I could put myself on a plantation so I can just get a HINT of the desire, humility, and yearning that my ancestors had I am pretty sure I would come back a completely different man.
OK end fucking rant.
I don't think many people even attempt to think about what slaves back then went through. I can't imagine it..I just can't, waking up everyday doing brutal labor and being treated worse than animals. Type of stuff designed to fuck with your psyche but somehow they managed to keep their wits about things. My respect and admiration is endless for them. You just made me sit up here and kind of think about it too.
Quote from: CΘACH KID␡? on November 21, 2015, 08:50:31 PM
Quote from: Herbie on November 20, 2015, 11:57:35 PM
I was just thinking about it and was overcome with emotion....
living every day, with no purpose other than serving someone else
having your future in the hands of ur master....not knowing whether or not ur child will be separated from u at the next auction..
"living" and dying on a plantation....treated no better than animals that you fed....
day by day......how did they take it? this is just unimaginable on so many levels...and the fact that I am having such a hard time thinking of the reality of such an existence proves how far we've come , but also how we take our many freedoms for granted....and use them to do things that are so frivolous and unapologetically self serving at times....
My ancestors were so strong....it's gonna take a LOT for me to complain about anything going "wrong" in life for a very long time. I just don't have the right to do it. :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: we've developed such an acceptive attitude for excuses in our community...granted, many "excuses" have valid and logical basis...but our ancestors would have no doubt taken the BLOCK that we are given today and no doubt stretched it further than the eye could see...as far as they can.
I feel sometimes we could push harder....If I could put myself on a plantation so I can just get a HINT of the desire, humility, and yearning that my ancestors had I am pretty sure I would come back a completely different man.
OK end fucking rant.
I don't think many people even attempt to think about what slaves back then went through. I can't imagine it..I just can't, waking up everyday doing brutal labor and being treated worse than animals. Type of stuff designed to fuck with your psyche but somehow they managed to keep their wits about things. My respect and admiration is endless for them. You just made me sit up here and kind of think about it too.
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Quote from: Mack on November 21, 2015, 04:22:11 PM
My baby cousin already know how to CATCH and FINISH these chickens.
Are you trying to say all human cultures are disgusting and ethically fallable?
Us GODFricans would not be as strong, to do all the physical labor, if we didn't shred these animals and eat them.
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Quote from: Herbie on November 20, 2015, 11:57:35 PM
I was just thinking about it and was overcome with emotion....
living every day, with no purpose other than serving someone else
having your future in the hands of ur master....not knowing whether or not ur child will be separated from u at the next auction..
"living" and dying on a plantation....treated no better than animals that you fed....
day by day......how did they take it? this is just unimaginable on so many levels...and the fact that I am having such a hard time thinking of the reality of such an existence proves how far we've come , but also how we take our many freedoms for granted....and use them to do things that are so frivolous and unapologetically self serving at times....
My ancestors were so strong....it's gonna take a LOT for me to complain about anything going "wrong" in life for a very long time. I just don't have the right to do it. :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: we've developed such an acceptive attitude for excuses in our community...granted, many "excuses" have valid and logical basis...but our ancestors would have no doubt taken the BLOCK that we are given today and no doubt stretched it further than the eye could see...as far as they can.
I feel sometimes we could push harder....If I could put myself on a plantation so I can just get a HINT of the desire, humility, and yearning that my ancestors had I am pretty sure I would come back a completely different man.
OK end fucking rant.
n
get over it.