sentencing a 13 year old to 100 years in prison? (UPDATE: He's going free!)

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oph.

Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PM
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Quote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.

she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.

not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!

 :omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.

ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.



again... because you seem to be struggling babe... when these cases went to trial, mental illness was not something that was claimed or argued. the end. bbvvcxxxxx like...

stillpretty

Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.

she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.

not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!

 :omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.

ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.


you seem to be struggling babe
no you are.

if you slow down a bit and do RESEARCH instead of just wildly typing away, you'd see her lawyer DID argue that.

so you're WRONG again.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/mississippi-teen-carly-madison-gregg-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-killing-mother-attempted-murder-stepdad/15343386/

Quote"She doesn't know what was going on at that time. We're asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity," Gregg's defense attorney Kevin Camp pleaded with jurors before their decision.
Project started: 2014
Wrapped up: 2024

Significant Discovery: First known Black American family of Kalmyk descent

Takeaways: Be prepared to pivot, even when you think you're on the right track. Be OK with being wrong so you can get things right.

Kalmyks are tribal Mongolic people who settled in Russia. It's estimated to be only 300,000 Kalmyk descendants worldwide - with only 3,000 in America.



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and if u slowed down and did some RESEARCH, you would understand why it wasn't possible for Ronald to present his mental state as a contributing factor for his crime in 1989, to get a lessened sentence.

it just wasn't an option.

PRIOR TO the supreme court ruling in 2012:

QuoteIn 2011, over 2,500 child offenders were serving sentences of life without parole in the US. The sentence can be imposed as a mandatory punishment without any consideration to mitigating factors such as a history of abuse, the degree of involvement in the crime or the mental health status of the defendant.


AFTER 2012:

QuoteIn 2012, the case of Miller v Alabama was presented in front of the US Supreme Court. Following this case, States and Federal Governments are required to consider the unique circumstances of each juvenile defendant in order to determine their individual sentence.

https://studentsverdict.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/a-double-homicide-and-170-years-in-prison-at-age-13/
Project started: 2014
Wrapped up: 2024

Significant Discovery: First known Black American family of Kalmyk descent

Takeaways: Be prepared to pivot, even when you think you're on the right track. Be OK with being wrong so you can get things right.

Kalmyks are tribal Mongolic people who settled in Russia. It's estimated to be only 300,000 Kalmyk descendants worldwide - with only 3,000 in America.



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Ulysses

Just because they TRY to pull the mental impairment card doesn't mean it's factual. They of course are going to try it.

oph.

Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.

she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.

not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!

 :omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.

ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.


you seem to be struggling babe
no you are.

if you slow down a bit and do RESEARCH instead of just wildly typing away, you'd see her lawyer DID argue that.

so you're WRONG again.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/mississippi-teen-carly-madison-gregg-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-killing-mother-attempted-murder-stepdad/15343386/

Quote"She doesn't know what was going on at that time. We're asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity," Gregg's defense attorney Kevin Camp pleaded with jurors before their decision.


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"she doesn't know what was going on at that time"

yea she really made the case there. bvcvvccvxbcxcvccvvccvvv this damn hail mary

fro get tf out my quotes :plzstop:

stillpretty

Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 08, 2024, 03:36:09 AM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.

she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.

not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!

 :omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.

ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.


you seem to be struggling babe
no you are.

if you slow down a bit and do RESEARCH instead of just wildly typing away, you'd see her lawyer DID argue that.

so you're WRONG again.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/mississippi-teen-carly-madison-gregg-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-killing-mother-attempted-murder-stepdad/15343386/

Quote"She doesn't know what was going on at that time. We're asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity," Gregg's defense attorney Kevin Camp pleaded with jurors before their decision.


N

"she doesn't know what was going on at that time"

yea she really made the case there. bvcvvccvxbcxcvccvvccvvv this damn hail mary

fro get tf out my quotes :plzstop:
nice try.

now find a way to RUN AROUND the fact that u didnt even know Ron was ineligible to throw in the mental illness card for a reduced sentence/leniency in 1989.

go.

Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:26:47 PMand if u slowed down and did some RESEARCH, you would understand why it wasn't possible for Ronald to present his mental state as a contributing factor for his crime in 1989, to get a lessened sentence.

it just wasn't an option.

PRIOR TO the supreme court ruling in 2012:

QuoteIn 2011, over 2,500 child offenders were serving sentences of life without parole in the US. The sentence can be imposed as a mandatory punishment without any consideration to mitigating factors such as a history of abuse, the degree of involvement in the crime or the mental health status of the defendant.


AFTER 2012:

QuoteIn 2012, the case of Miller v Alabama was presented in front of the US Supreme Court. Following this case, States and Federal Governments are required to consider the unique circumstances of each juvenile defendant in order to determine their individual sentence.

https://studentsverdict.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/a-double-homicide-and-170-years-in-prison-at-age-13/
Project started: 2014
Wrapped up: 2024

Significant Discovery: First known Black American family of Kalmyk descent

Takeaways: Be prepared to pivot, even when you think you're on the right track. Be OK with being wrong so you can get things right.

Kalmyks are tribal Mongolic people who settled in Russia. It's estimated to be only 300,000 Kalmyk descendants worldwide - with only 3,000 in America.



Grandpa and his Grandma ❤️

stillpretty

Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 08, 2024, 03:36:09 AM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.

she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.

not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!

 :omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.

ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.


you seem to be struggling babe
no you are.

if you slow down a bit and do RESEARCH instead of just wildly typing away, you'd see her lawyer DID argue that.

so you're WRONG again.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/mississippi-teen-carly-madison-gregg-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-killing-mother-attempted-murder-stepdad/15343386/

Quote"She doesn't know what was going on at that time. We're asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity," Gregg's defense attorney Kevin Camp pleaded with jurors before their decision.


N

"she doesn't know what was going on at that time"

yea she really made the case there. bvcvvccvxbcxcvccvvccvvv this damn hail mary

fro get tf out my quotes :plzstop:
and if you're using your noggin, u would know that closing arguments from the defense/prosecution are usually a SUMMATION and FINAL RESTATEMENT of what the teams have argued throughout the case.

so if the lawyer is bringing up mental illness in CLOSING ARGUMENTS, it most likely means this was a defense they carried through the trial and they're simply bringing it home one more time before the jury goes to make their decision.

Carly's lawyers definitely argued mental illness in the trial, and presented evidence to support it.

An expert also testified to her mental well being.


QuoteDefense Attorneys Bridget Todd and Kevin Camp presented evidence in court in day three of the trial Wednesday showing Gregg was an "exceptional student" with a history of mental health concerns.

Dr. Andrew Clark, a child and adolescent psychiatrist based in Cambridge, MA, was identified as the expert witness. Clark testified to what factors may have contributed to Gregg committing the alleged crimes. Clark said he diagnosed Gregg with Bipolar II disorder.

"Dr. Clark, based on your experience, expertise and evaluation of Carly, do you believe that Carly was able to understand the nature of her conduct and appreciate the difference between right and wrong at the time this incident occurred on March 19?" Defense Attorney Bridget Todd asked.

"I don't think so," Clark said.

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2024/09/18/defense-carly-madison-gregg-expects-first-witness-in-murder-trial/75244116007/

Project started: 2014
Wrapped up: 2024

Significant Discovery: First known Black American family of Kalmyk descent

Takeaways: Be prepared to pivot, even when you think you're on the right track. Be OK with being wrong so you can get things right.

Kalmyks are tribal Mongolic people who settled in Russia. It's estimated to be only 300,000 Kalmyk descendants worldwide - with only 3,000 in America.



Grandpa and his Grandma ❤️

stillpretty

and with that, i'm done discussing this with you.

the true insanity would be me sitting here continuing to do that when it's now clear that u shouldn't be having this discussion at all.

do some more research before slamming down your gavel on children.
Project started: 2014
Wrapped up: 2024

Significant Discovery: First known Black American family of Kalmyk descent

Takeaways: Be prepared to pivot, even when you think you're on the right track. Be OK with being wrong so you can get things right.

Kalmyks are tribal Mongolic people who settled in Russia. It's estimated to be only 300,000 Kalmyk descendants worldwide - with only 3,000 in America.



Grandpa and his Grandma ❤️

oph.

fro, hun... leave me alone wit this now. that man wasnt crazy then, aint crazy now, and he should be behind bars forever. period. save the essays for a nicki psych eval.