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[stillpretty]

im watching this documentary and there's a guy at the 9:53 minute mark

telling his story about how at 13 he killed two people
(forced himself into someone's home with a friend after they refused his offer to cut their grass)

he was sentenced to 170 years, and is up for parole after serving 100
basically, he aint never getting out

for some reason his story breaks my heart
i just dont think a 13 year old fully understands how their decisions will impact their life
and is less likely to think things through before acting on impulse.

punishment was necessary obviously but his story just didn't sit right with me
not only did they try him as an adult, they clearly had no mercy on the child during sentencing

he was 15 at the time of sentencing but this was still for a crime committed at 13. and 15 is barely a difference in itself

[Purple Moon]

I mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.

[𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉]

How did he kill them?

[stillpretty]

How did he kill them?

they didnt go into detail but it was a robbery attempt that escalated

[stillpretty]

thankfully other people are bringing attention to his story

https://medium.com/@juliafay/a-man-sentenced-to-170-years-in-prison-at-13-is-fighting-for-his-freedom-a69e5409eac8

Meanwhile, Sanford has served over 30 years in prison and is considered eligible for parole at the age of 100. This is not an argument against accountability. Ronald Sanford's story is a reminder that excessive punishment and inequity within our legal and criminal justice systems is inhumane with little, if any, impact on our country's crime rates or the safety of our communities.

he seems well adjusted and calm to me. looks and staged behavior can be deceiving
but thats the feeling i'm getting.

in his case , i think he's served enough time and after a very thorough psychiatric evaluation and look into his prison record (any offenses while in prison, etc...cuz within 30 years of serving time it would def be hard to HIDE any remaining aggression and stay out of trouble if it's still in you)...

but if that all checks out i'd personally recommend him being freed and sent to a halfway house for further observation, and eventually let back into the public.

his accomplice took a plea deal, testified against Ron and ended up only getting a few years in jail.
so they basically DUMPED all the punishment for both of them onto Ron so they could say ultimate justice was served.

[oph.]

I mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.

yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.

[oph.]

and the fag that assited him should be rotting in jail TOO. THAT is literally the only injustice in this situation... other than them literally murdering 2 old ladies for not taking them up on an OFFER

 

[stillpretty]

I mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.

yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.

the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence

i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened

ultimately two women still lost their lives

but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.

i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.

[Purple Moon]

I mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.

yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.

the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence

i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened

ultimately two women still lost their lives

but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.

i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.

why do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.

I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.

[stillpretty]

I mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.

yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.

the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence

i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened

ultimately two women still lost their lives

but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.

i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.

why do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.

I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.

i say that because consequences in courtrooms are handed out usually with the assumption that the person not only knew what they did was wrong, but they had to be aware of the consequences that would follow as well.

there's a reason why the justice system makes "examples" of people with heavier sentencing sometimes.
in hopes of said sentencing making the local/national news, or hitting newspapers

it's to send a MESSAGE that they will push for the maximum punishment on certain crimes
to make adults THINK TWICE before committing said crimes

so there is something to be said about someone being fully aware of how their actions will affect them in the long run

in fact, that's a huge reason most adults THINK TWICE before committing crimes.
even if they REALLY wanna harm their ex-boyfriend. or throw a brick into someones house as revenge

it's not JUST about it being wrong. it's about the TROUBLE and CONSEQUENCES they'll face and being aware of the LIKELIHOOD of them getting caught and held accountable

the entire justice system is actually kinda BUILT on preventing crime with the THREAT OF CONSEQUENCE.

a child is less likely to take that time and THINK TWICE before doing certain things, even if they are wrong
because they are a CHILD.

as in, there's less opportunity for COMMON SENSE and BETTER JUDGEMENT  to override IMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR.

does this make sense?

[Purple Moon]

I mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.

yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.

the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence

i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened

ultimately two women still lost their lives

but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.

i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.

why do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.

I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.

i say that because consequences in courtrooms are handed out usually with the assumption that the person not only knew what they did was wrong, but they had to be aware of the consequences that would follow as well.

there's a reason why the justice system makes "examples" of people with heavier sentencing sometimes.
in hopes of said sentencing making the local/national news, or hitting newspapers

it's to send a MESSAGE that they will push for the maximum punishment on certain crimes

so there is something to be said about someone being fully aware of how their actions will affect them in the long run

in fact, that's a huge reason most people THINK TWICE about committing certain crimes.
even if they REALLY wanna harm their ex-boyfriend. or throw a brick into someones house

it's not JUST about it being wrong. it's about the TROUBLE and CONSEQUENCES they'll face and being aware of the LIKELIHOOD of them getting caught and held accountable

a child is less likely to take that time and THINK TWICE before doing certain things, even if they are wrong
because they are a CHILD.

does this make sense?

yes it makes sense. Thanks for clarifying

[stillpretty]

I mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.

yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.

the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence

i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened

ultimately two women still lost their lives

but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.

i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.

why do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.

I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.

i say that because consequences in courtrooms are handed out usually with the assumption that the person not only knew what they did was wrong, but they had to be aware of the consequences that would follow as well.

there's a reason why the justice system makes "examples" of people with heavier sentencing sometimes.
in hopes of said sentencing making the local/national news, or hitting newspapers

it's to send a MESSAGE that they will push for the maximum punishment on certain crimes

so there is something to be said about someone being fully aware of how their actions will affect them in the long run

in fact, that's a huge reason most people THINK TWICE about committing certain crimes.
even if they REALLY wanna harm their ex-boyfriend. or throw a brick into someones house

it's not JUST about it being wrong. it's about the TROUBLE and CONSEQUENCES they'll face and being aware of the LIKELIHOOD of them getting caught and held accountable

a child is less likely to take that time and THINK TWICE before doing certain things, even if they are wrong
because they are a CHILD.

does this make sense?

yes it makes sense. Thanks for clarifying

thanks for being open to clarification

[oph.]

i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.

i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.

[stillpretty]

i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.

i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.

well our definitions of "child" are just clearly different

and that's OK

[oph.]

i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.

i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.

well our definitions of "child" are just clearly different

and that's OK

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