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[JCJ]

Tbh i've never seen the problem with artists requiring a reasonable percentage of the publishing for the songs they cut.

All of the risks and financial investments into a songs sucxess falls squarely on the artist. It costs millions to promote a single, all of those costs for recording, promotional appearances, radio, video budget etc. All of that gets recouped by the label from the artists cut not the writers/producers. If the song underperforms it's the artist who gets the public lashing for flopping and the risk of being dropped from their label.

Many songs are only big entirely because of the artist that released them. To me its like on that show Shark Tank, if you want a major well connected investor to sink time, funds, resources, and reputation behind your creation you are likely gonna have to come up off percentage of rights and ownership to your product. Usually those are projects that took years of time to invent/develop compared to a song that took a writer 10 min in a McDonalds drive-thru to write and they usually ask for way more than 10% ownership.

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Tbh i've never seen the problem with artists requiring a reasonable percentage of the publishing for the songs they cut.

All of the risks and financial investments into a songs sucxess falls squarely on the artist. It costs millions to promote a single, all of those costs for recording, promotional appearances, radio, video budget etc. All of that gets recouped by the label from the artists cut not the writers/producers. If the song underperforms it's the artist who gets the public lashing for flopping and the risk of being dropped from their label.

Many songs are only big entirely because of the artist that released them. To me its like on that show Shark Tank, if you want a major well connected investor to sink time, funds, resources, and reputation behind your creation you are likely gonna have to come up off percentage of rights and ownership to your product. Usually those are projects that took years of time to invent/develop compared to a song that took a writer 10 min in a McDonalds drive-thru to write and they usually ask for way more than 10% ownership.

i see where your coming from except for the part where you diminished the work that songwriters do. songwriters very often put much time and consideration into the songs that they write. and even if a songwriter did whip something up in 10 minutes, obviously they provided a service that the artist themselves could not/was not unwilling to do themselves. so in any scenario, the writer still deserves what they are asking for. and to your point, if I decide to fund my own production and I enlist the services of a boom mic operator or camera man, etc., the success of the project is still going to rely on MY talent as a producer, but that doesn't mean I get to cut their FEE for services if I am not financially successful in my endeavor nor does it give me a right to cut into a portion of their rightfully-earned profits if it does do well.

[Vonc2002]

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I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé

Let me finish my plate

I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true

and she mentioned situations where it did happen with beyonce.

[Vonc2002]

If there's one artist who shouldn't being getting publishing its Bey imo. She's already made, already rich, and already accomplished she doesn't need  it. Let some of these up and comers keep their coins.

U don't get rich and STAY rich by squandering opportunities to get PAID lol

[RAY7]

Skskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd

I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé

Let me finish my plate

I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true

and she mentioned situations where it did happen with beyonce.

that she HEARD secondhand

[Demetri Collier Electronics 🤴🏾]

If there's one artist who shouldn't being getting publishing its Bey imo. She's already made, already rich, and already accomplished she doesn't need  it. Let some of these up and comers keep their coins.

U don't get rich and STAY rich by squandering opportunities to get PAID lol

This is true. But she doesn't have to be greedy about it. She's not hurting and won't be for the rest of her life. She can leave a placement on her next album for an new talent without taking their publishing.  I would think she'd be in the 'Pay It Forward ' phase right now anyway.


And I definitely see @FadedEnvy perspective too.
She can

[RAY7]

It's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"

[Ｂｏｏｍｚ]

I understand that but Bey won't miss those lil coins.

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Not about missing out on coins.

It's about having some ownership over everything your voice is on

[Ｂｏｏｍｚ]

She'd be a fool not to at this point.

It's a trade off.

A songwriter or composer knows what it's giving when you work w/ Beyoncé at this point in the game

Don't bring your songs to her then

[Lazarus]

I feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.

[Vonc2002]

Skskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd

I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé

Let me finish my plate

I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true

and she mentioned situations where it did happen with beyonce.

that she HEARD secondhand

From people tha people that have written the songs themselves
And we know that beyonce does this so that Part isn't news

[Barbie Dangerous]

Seeing a lot of incorrect replies here so I just wanna make it perfectly clear how she's said Bey's name in hopes that she speaks up to make changes for everyone.

[Ｂｏｏｍｚ]

It's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"

!!!

The elite gorls know!

Even if she wasn't very involved in all her music beyond just singing the lyrics (those of us who know better, KNOW!) she can take your song to heights it might not see otherwise. And you might get a Grammy to your name out of it.

Whine about credit or go submit your mess to Keyshia Cole and see how far it gets nnnnnn

[Demetri Collier Electronics 🤴🏾]

I understand that but Bey won't miss those lil coins.

m
Not about missing out on coins.

It's about having some ownership over everything your voice is on

!!!

[Demetri Collier Electronics 🤴🏾]

It's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"

It's very interesting with her I agree cause I see both sides of it.

But Realistically how can you make a real profit off a song you're splitting with 20 others on one song?  They're splitting Pennies at this ooint.