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[Vonc2002]

The Draya thing is tricky.  Was that police report real?  To this day, Dray says it wasn't. 

Did we ever get proof?

Nope. It's still a mystery.

I think that's what makes this situation different.  I totally see your point, though.  Draya was trifling as hell if it was true.  The boy crawling into the damn house with dog shit & piss everywhere.  Feeding himself while she's out thottin & boppin.

But no one ever was able to prove it, and that makes me think maybe there's some truth to what she was saying?

Jackie, on the other hand, has both of her daughters telling us she was an abusive monster.

But whether she was really a monster or not isn't the issue here for me, Vonc or anyone that's on the opposing side. That's far from it. We're NOT saying Jackie didn't do the things Takari said she did.

Well, that's strictly what I'm talking about.

The argument about Evelyn being able to use the info is kinda debatable.  It's all reads at the end of the day.  And Jackie has done much of the same over the years.  Especially her first couple of  seasons.

I just feel like when you constantly immerse yourself in mess, make sure your house is clean.  Because the girls will unlock your front door.

The same could go for Evelyn too though. She's no one's saint. My issue with this is the fact that everyone says that kids is off limits, but yet Evelyn walking around constantly speaking on Takari and talking to the girl knowing she got a beef with Jackie.

If I got beef with somebody, you won't see me using their kids as a bait. I don't care how much I hate you, it's a boundary

I think you guys get so caught up in a who's right mess, where I just personally see it as everyone being messy as hell!  Which is why I'm not passionate one way or the other.  Jackie hopped in Evelyn's event being messy trying to address MESS when it wasn't the time or place.   And Evelyn hit with the low blow.  Jackie retaliated by returning the favor.  And so on and so forth.

It's all just messy!  I don't see one read worse than the other.

kids off limits!

n

Please! It's reality TV.

So, yeah.  I haven't chosen a side in the Kidsgate mess.  This ain't new info.  Jackie's kids told us years ago she's a horrible mother.  And I like to drag her for it!

Kinda like Evelyn.

Okay that's fine. So let my stance be about what I feel is right and you can stay about the mess.

Your stance can be whatever you want it to be.  But be clear comparing Draya's situation ain't the same when there is zero proof she was a bad mother.

OH MY GOD.

I'm saying I didn't like the fact that they ganged up on Draya about the situation at hand and I feel the same way about Jackie. Whether it's true or not. I don't see why y'all can't see what I'm saying. I'm not looking for proof on anything. I just don't like it when people stick their noses in a situation that's not their business. Proof or no proof

I mean, the point is pretty clear

[RAY7]

communicating with "kids" (all involved are grown and can make their own decisions)
is not the same as insulting kids
that is like the dumbest comparison
the only reason Jackie has an issue with Eve talking to Takari is because its about exposing her as a bad mother

[🦚]

I like shaunie 

I live for the mess she gets away with and how uppity she acts

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r u marlon

I like the cast tbh. Bring back sen'niyah n get rid of christen.

Hell bring back Sundy too. 

Cristen is the absolute worst!  . That scene when she was in the park asking her "man" if he misses that "doggy".

MNNBHBBBBBbbbbbbbbvbbv

UGH!

And maybe now that Evelyn dumped Carl, she'll stop pretending to be a fairy princess next season and really bring the MESS!

We'll see her thotting n bopping again ...can't wait.

Oh and Bonnie can go too. She's a poor man's Suzie.

[XXX.]

The Draya thing is tricky.  Was that police report real?  To this day, Dray says it wasn't. 

Did we ever get proof?

Nope. It's still a mystery.

I think that's what makes this situation different.  I totally see your point, though.  Draya was trifling as hell if it was true.  The boy crawling into the damn house with dog shit & piss everywhere.  Feeding himself while she's out thottin & boppin.

But no one ever was able to prove it, and that makes me think maybe there's some truth to what she was saying?

Jackie, on the other hand, has both of her daughters telling us she was an abusive monster.

But whether she was really a monster or not isn't the issue here for me, Vonc or anyone that's on the opposing side. That's far from it. We're NOT saying Jackie didn't do the things Takari said she did.

Well, that's strictly what I'm talking about.

The argument about Evelyn being able to use the info is kinda debatable.  It's all reads at the end of the day.  And Jackie has done much of the same over the years.  Especially her first couple of  seasons.

I just feel like when you constantly immerse yourself in mess, make sure your house is clean.  Because the girls will unlock your front door.

The same could go for Evelyn too though. She's no one's saint. My issue with this is the fact that everyone says that kids is off limits, but yet Evelyn walking around constantly speaking on Takari and talking to the girl knowing she got a beef with Jackie.

If I got beef with somebody, you won't see me using their kids as a bait. I don't care how much I hate you, it's a boundary

I think you guys get so caught up in a who's right mess, where I just personally see it as everyone being messy as hell!  Which is why I'm not passionate one way or the other.  Jackie hopped in Evelyn's event being messy trying to address MESS when it wasn't the time or place.   And Evelyn hit with the low blow.  Jackie retaliated by returning the favor.  And so on and so forth.

It's all just messy!  I don't see one read worse than the other.

kids off limits!

n

Please! It's reality TV.

So, yeah.  I haven't chosen a side in the Kidsgate mess.  This ain't new info.  Jackie's kids told us years ago she's a horrible mother.  And I like to drag her for it!

Kinda like Evelyn.

Okay that's fine. So let my stance be about what I feel is right and you can stay about the mess.

Your stance can be whatever you want it to be.  But be clear comparing Draya's situation ain't the same when there is zero proof she was a bad mother.

OH MY GOD.

I'm saying I didn't like the fact that they ganged up on Draya about the situation at hand and I feel the same way about Jackie. Whether it's true or not. I don't see why y'all can't see what I'm saying. I'm not looking for proof on anything. I just don't like it when people stick their noses in a situation that's not their business. Proof or no proof

You got a lot of nerve when Jackie stays in mess and other people's business 24/7.

You just don't like Evelyn and you were dragging her before episode 1 even aired.

Biased self.

[XXX.]

communicating with "kids" (all involved are grown and can make their own decisions)
is not the same as insulting kids
that is like the dumbest comparison
the only reason Jackie has an issue with Eve talking to Takari is because its about exposing her as a bad mother

Oop!

Drag their faulty biased logic.

[🦚]

If Jackie was truly about her Fam she would've met Evelyn that time smacked her with 3 stacks and 5 benji's and told her stay out my family mess.

Jackie is the one that opened the door for ppl to fuck with her. If her grudge wasn't more important than her family there wouldn't have been a go fund me page.

[XXX.]

Sleigh, bae.



They dug in the vaults and posted the actual therapy scene.  The way Jackie told them both she doesn't give a fuck as Takari sobbed DOWN has me hiding Jackie's liquor at the Angel Brinks event! 

This girl is terrified of this woman!

Ew, she's the worst kind of person...the type that never thinks they're wrong.

Her daughters need to end their relationship with her until she shows some kind of remorse or change.

Okay!

And you got people in here excusing and defending this mess!

Dont call it out! Family business!

Did me and you not just watch it?

Love seeing this abusive monster go up in flames!

[Scott.]

The Draya thing is tricky.  Was that police report real?  To this day, Dray says it wasn't. 

Did we ever get proof?

Nope. It's still a mystery.

I think that's what makes this situation different.  I totally see your point, though.  Draya was trifling as hell if it was true.  The boy crawling into the damn house with dog shit & piss everywhere.  Feeding himself while she's out thottin & boppin.

But no one ever was able to prove it, and that makes me think maybe there's some truth to what she was saying?

Jackie, on the other hand, has both of her daughters telling us she was an abusive monster.

But whether she was really a monster or not isn't the issue here for me, Vonc or anyone that's on the opposing side. That's far from it. We're NOT saying Jackie didn't do the things Takari said she did.

Well, that's strictly what I'm talking about.

The argument about Evelyn being able to use the info is kinda debatable.  It's all reads at the end of the day.  And Jackie has done much of the same over the years.  Especially her first couple of  seasons.

I just feel like when you constantly immerse yourself in mess, make sure your house is clean.  Because the girls will unlock your front door.

The same could go for Evelyn too though. She's no one's saint. My issue with this is the fact that everyone says that kids is off limits, but yet Evelyn walking around constantly speaking on Takari and talking to the girl knowing she got a beef with Jackie.

If I got beef with somebody, you won't see me using their kids as a bait. I don't care how much I hate you, it's a boundary

I think you guys get so caught up in a who's right mess, where I just personally see it as everyone being messy as hell!  Which is why I'm not passionate one way or the other.  Jackie hopped in Evelyn's event being messy trying to address MESS when it wasn't the time or place.   And Evelyn hit with the low blow.  Jackie retaliated by returning the favor.  And so on and so forth.

It's all just messy!  I don't see one read worse than the other.

kids off limits!

n

Please! It's reality TV.

So, yeah.  I haven't chosen a side in the Kidsgate mess.  This ain't new info.  Jackie's kids told us years ago she's a horrible mother.  And I like to drag her for it!

Kinda like Evelyn.

Okay that's fine. So let my stance be about what I feel is right and you can stay about the mess.

Your stance can be whatever you want it to be.  But be clear comparing Draya's situation ain't the same when there is zero proof she was a bad mother.

OH MY GOD.

I'm saying I didn't like the fact that they ganged up on Draya about the situation at hand and I feel the same way about Jackie. Whether it's true or not. I don't see why y'all can't see what I'm saying. I'm not looking for proof on anything. I just don't like it when people stick their noses in a situation that's not their business. Proof or no proof

You got a lot of nerve when Jackie stays in mess and other people's business 24/7.

You just don't like Evelyn and you were dragging her before episode 1 even aired.

Biased self.

Boy please. As many times as I've dragged Jackie for her bullshit in the past.

And you're damn right, I sure as hell DON'T like Evelyn AT ALL. But that's no my reasoning for feeling the way I do. I don't care who it is. Dont' involve yourself in someone else's situation especially regarding family.

[Scott.]

The Draya thing is tricky.  Was that police report real?  To this day, Dray says it wasn't. 

Did we ever get proof?

Nope. It's still a mystery.

I think that's what makes this situation different.  I totally see your point, though.  Draya was trifling as hell if it was true.  The boy crawling into the damn house with dog shit & piss everywhere.  Feeding himself while she's out thottin & boppin.

But no one ever was able to prove it, and that makes me think maybe there's some truth to what she was saying?

Jackie, on the other hand, has both of her daughters telling us she was an abusive monster.

But whether she was really a monster or not isn't the issue here for me, Vonc or anyone that's on the opposing side. That's far from it. We're NOT saying Jackie didn't do the things Takari said she did.

Well, that's strictly what I'm talking about.

The argument about Evelyn being able to use the info is kinda debatable.  It's all reads at the end of the day.  And Jackie has done much of the same over the years.  Especially her first couple of  seasons.

I just feel like when you constantly immerse yourself in mess, make sure your house is clean.  Because the girls will unlock your front door.

The same could go for Evelyn too though. She's no one's saint. My issue with this is the fact that everyone says that kids is off limits, but yet Evelyn walking around constantly speaking on Takari and talking to the girl knowing she got a beef with Jackie.

If I got beef with somebody, you won't see me using their kids as a bait. I don't care how much I hate you, it's a boundary

I think you guys get so caught up in a who's right mess, where I just personally see it as everyone being messy as hell!  Which is why I'm not passionate one way or the other.  Jackie hopped in Evelyn's event being messy trying to address MESS when it wasn't the time or place.   And Evelyn hit with the low blow.  Jackie retaliated by returning the favor.  And so on and so forth.

It's all just messy!  I don't see one read worse than the other.

kids off limits!

n

Please! It's reality TV.

So, yeah.  I haven't chosen a side in the Kidsgate mess.  This ain't new info.  Jackie's kids told us years ago she's a horrible mother.  And I like to drag her for it!

Kinda like Evelyn.

Okay that's fine. So let my stance be about what I feel is right and you can stay about the mess.

Your stance can be whatever you want it to be.  But be clear comparing Draya's situation ain't the same when there is zero proof she was a bad mother.

OH MY GOD.

I'm saying I didn't like the fact that they ganged up on Draya about the situation at hand and I feel the same way about Jackie. Whether it's true or not. I don't see why y'all can't see what I'm saying. I'm not looking for proof on anything. I just don't like it when people stick their noses in a situation that's not their business. Proof or no proof

I mean, the point is pretty clear

But wanna call me biased when they defend everything this bitch do. But DEW!

[XXX.]

If Jackie was truly about her Fam she would've met Evelyn that time smacked her with 3 stacks and 5 benji's and told her stay out my family mess.

Jackie is the one that opened the door for ppl to fuck with her. If her grudge wasn't more important than her family there wouldn't have been a go fund me page.

Thank you!

[yummy]

Draya never got a pass. She admitted to her mess and worked hard to rebrand herself.

Nobody defended draya being a bad mother. We just weren't here for the girls slutshaming her especially not the govan whores who fuck each other's men.

Chile no. She never admitted to anything. She said the incident wasn't true

A lot of people didn't like the fact that Laura and nem were ganging up on Draya about her son. A lot of people were on her side with that. I feel the same way then as I do now.

omf that had me fuming when it aired 

the way they all ganged up on her and she was crying her eyes out. And Jackie was the main one leading the brigade all while her own daughters can't stand to be around her ass.

[RAY7]

communicating with "kids" (all involved are grown and can make their own decisions)
is not the same as insulting kids
that is like the dumbest comparison
the only reason Jackie has an issue with Eve talking to Takari is because its about exposing her as a bad mother

Oop!

Drag their faulty biased logic.

and the Draya thing would only compare if her son was coming to them telling them Draya mistreated him like Takari
these girls went to the internet and googled to find what they did on Draya
2 totally different things

[Vonc2002]

Scott let it ride. Ur arguing apples and oranges at this point

[Scott.]

Who in here is excusing what Jackie did? Nobody said anything about Takari lying. Y'all are really seeing what the fuck y'all want to see.

[Scott.]

Scott let it ride. Ur arguing apples and oranges at this point