It's a very empowering term but it's also very harmful because it leads people to believe Black women are these superhuman, bulletproof creatures who can handle anything.
And if you can handle anything, do you really need protection? Help?
It's another way of masculinizing and even dehumanizing Black women. I think we should challenge ourselves to begin finding OTHER words to describe how amazing they are. It doesn't always have to be "strong".
Many of them are speaking up on it .
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I think I agree. "Black" woman does say more than enough, no need to add another adjective.
this is deep
ok
Quote from: Planet Her on August 10, 2021, 08:44:12 AM
I think I agree. "Black" woman does say more than enough, no need to add another adjective.
maya Angelou gave us a perfect tea
"Phenomenal "
no
stop allowing outside ppl to redifine our mess.
strong black woman means just that. a strong black woman.
all of em aint strong.
i.e. candice owens, candice dillard, stacy dash, gizelle bryant, etc.
Yh I remember Amerie saying something about this a while ago and she summed it up so succinctly
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Yh I remember Amerie saying something about this a while ago and she summed it up so succinctly
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAyIadinzFt/
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 08:53:01 AM
no
stop allowing outside ppl to redifine our mess.
outside people , as in the black women i posted in the OP who are saying it's harmful to them?
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: plastic on August 10, 2021, 08:46:15 AM
this is deep
dnndndnd d. Ff fndndn :cmerefag:
dhhdhddhdddbbb
touch me & i'll show u a strong black woman
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Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:54:59 AM
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 08:53:01 AM
no
stop allowing outside ppl to redifine our mess.
outside people , as in the black women i posted in the OP who are saying it's harmful to them?
cuz they've allowed outside definitions/opinions to take precedence
thats my point
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 08:56:23 AM
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:54:59 AM
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 08:53:01 AM
no
stop allowing outside ppl to redifine our mess.
outside people , as in the black women i posted in the OP who are saying it's harmful to them?
cuz they've allowed outside definitions/opinions to take precedence
thats my point
they've ALLOWED it?
Sounds like they're sharing experiences of how it's affected them
Wow.
this is exactly why this shit needs to go.
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 08:56:23 AM
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:54:59 AM
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 08:53:01 AM
no
stop allowing outside ppl to redifine our mess.
outside people , as in the black women i posted in the OP who are saying it's harmful to them?
cuz they've allowed outside definitions/opinions to take precedence
thats my point
they've ALLOWED it?
yea
not sure why thats such a shocking statement
Quote from: plastic on August 10, 2021, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: plastic on August 10, 2021, 08:46:15 AM
this is deep
dnndndnd d. Ff fndndn :cmerefag:
dhhdhddhdddbbb
touch me & i'll show u a strong black woman
(http://gossiponthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/joseline-fight-2.gif)
omg plas' jus KILLED 'fro
sumbod' call tha ambalance...nd papa johns, its on tha house tanite
:tistheseas:
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Yh I remember Amerie saying something about this a while ago and she summed it up so succinctly
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAyIadinzFt/
:butwait!:
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fro will think twice next time :plea:
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Yh I remember Amerie saying something about this a while ago and she summed it up so succinctly
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAyIadinzFt/
ack.
love queen. intelligent self.
but where did she address "strong black woman" ?
that statement has nothing to do with being "superhuman" and theres only an expectation if you acknowledge it... which we DO have the right to NOT. a strong black woman can be soft and sensitive when she wants/needs. period.
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Yh I remember Amerie saying something about this a while ago and she summed it up so succinctly
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAyIadinzFt/
ack.
love queen. intelligent self.
but where did she address "strong black woman" ?
they both go hand in hand
Black people having to be "Superhuman" = "Strong Black Women"
She's talking about black people as a whole having to go above and beyond to turn the other cheek and be mentally and emotionally strong and resilient when we're also human beings and are allowed to be soft and vulnerable and that's exactly the same method you can apply to the same "strong black women"
She doesn't have to literally say the term but it's implied and you can apply it
Jayda said this Amerie clip is gonna APPLY dammit.
Mm hmm!
:acquit:
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Yh I remember Amerie saying something about this a while ago and she summed it up so succinctly
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAyIadinzFt/
she ate this
Beautiful smart self
Lemme repost
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the epitome of a strong black woman
hmmm...i wondr if i push 'fro off tha 2nd or 3rd floor which would make da bigger splat
....hmmmm
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+50 woke points
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Quote from: plastic on August 10, 2021, 09:03:13 AM
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fro will think twice next time :plea:
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And amerie was addressing the preexisting issue black women are facing
Where they are expected to be bulletproof and to handle anything
If this weren't an issue for black women I honestly wouldn't see the harm of saying "strong black woman" all the time
If they were not CONSTANTLY masculinized and dehumanized I wouldn't see the issue of saying "strong black woman" all the time
It's NOT about "strong black woman" being the CAUSE of the issue , its not about BLAMING "strong black woman" for the issue . it's about us not being able to afford to constantly use a phrase that can CONTRIBUTE to and SUPPORT preexisting ideas about black women that are very harmful.
Does that not make sense?
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Quote from: Planet Her on August 10, 2021, 09:20:06 AM
Jayda said this Amerie clip is gonna APPLY dammit.
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cuz it clearly didn't and i even outlined the difference
:dead:
what she was trynna say was !
:plzstop:
i feel some MESS brewing & my money is on jayd
:trannyjblige:
The clip jayd posted is definitely relevant to "strong black woman"
there's a direct correlation of the idea of black women being "superhuman" (I used that word in the OP of the thread and amerie used that word as well) and "strong black woman" simply gives that idea a name/title.
Amerie said the same thing in her clip that I spelled out in the OP, and used the same words. I simply added a phrase which seems to encompass it all.
the correlation is clear. If U don't see it ur choosing not to see it .
Of course she's saying the same thing, just not specifically about women.
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
The clip jayd posted is definitely relevant to "strong black woman"
there's a direct correlation of the idea of black women being "superhuman" (I used that word in the OP of the thread and amerie used that word as well) and "strong black woman" simply gives that idea a name/title.
Amerie said the same thing in her clip that I spelled out in the OP, and used the same words. I simply added a phrase which seems to encompass it all.
the correlation is clear. If U don't see it ur choosing not to see it .
!!!!
It's really not that difficult to see the correlation
If you're dismissing what she said and taking it literally because she didn't explicitly say "
strong" "black" "women" then maybe the issue is your comprehension and not Amerie's point
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 09:07:34 AM
that statement has nothing to do with being "superhuman" and theres only an expectation if you acknowledge it... which we DO have the right to NOT. a strong black woman can be soft and sensitive when she wants/needs. period.
Quote from: Planet Her on August 10, 2021, 11:53:58 AM
Of course she's saying the same thing, just not specifically about women.
nddndnd
Even Bow gets it :dead:
and she was talking about what she was talking about. period.
:guys:
vvccxx
even bow gets !
such a bandwagon fag
Quote from: Planet Her on August 10, 2021, 11:53:58 AM
Of course she's saying the same thing, just not specifically about women.
There's so many misconceptions floating around about black people cuz everything is so SKRONG!
like people thinking kinky hair is the toughest SKRONGEST form of hair when its actually the most delicate and fragile of all hair types.
There's empowerment in strength but the issue is that black women are already masculinized enough as it is . First insult someone goes to with blk women usually is "bitch that's why u look like **insert unambiguously black MANs name here** "
I can see why many black women are pushing back on the phrase . If these preexisting issues werent in existence ...of course it'd be awesome to say "strong black woman!" All day and night .
And it's not about intent , because the intent when using that phrase is almost always pure and positive . It's about the idea that it supports and how that affects the women in our community .
How am Ii a bandwagon fag if people agree with my point :dead:
thats literally not the point or why ur being called the bandwagon fag that your are
:plzstop:
the misconception! people think !
who gives a fuck. THAT'S the problem and my point. putting too much stock in what outside forces believe and allowing them to define and redefine mess. cut it owt.
which correlates with the OP, wording an' all lol
It's not her/our fault you can't see the correlation or the relevancy, maybe you need to check your comprehension?
because I actually responded to your quote without shade and explained why i thought it was relavent and outlined several examples as to why.
So don't get prissy with the italics because once again you are the last one to hop on board the common sense express
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Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
thats literally not the point or why ur being called the bandwagon fag that your are
I'm aggy and just want to be pissed again
:plzstop:
Got ya
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Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
the misconception! people think !
who gives a fuck. THAT'S the problem and my point. putting too much stock in what outside forces believe and allowing them to define and redefine mess. cut it owt.
if ur whole problem and point is dealing with what white people think then ur way off mark.
Cuz that's not my main concern.
In case u haven't noticed a lot of black people subscribe to these misconceptions , and even create them.
I highly doubt Suzy coined the term "strong black woman" .
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
thats literally not the point or why ur being called the bandwagon fag that your are
I'm aggy and just want to be pissed again
:plzstop:
*random fag chatter and a gif*
👍🏾
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 12:05:04 PM
Quote from: Planet Her on August 10, 2021, 11:53:58 AM
Of course she's saying the same thing, just not specifically about women.
There's so many misconceptions floating around about black people cuz everything is so SKRONG!
like people thinking kinky hair is the toughest SKRONGEST form of hair when its actually the most delicate and fragile of all hair types.
There's empowerment in strength but the issue is that black women are already masculinized enough as it is . First insult someone goes to with blk women usually is "bitch that's why u look like **insert unambiguously black MANs name here** "
I can see why many black women are pushing back on the phrase . If these preexisting issues werent in existence ...of course it'd be awesome to say "strong black woman!" All day and night .
And it's not about intent , because the intent when using that phrase is almost always pure and positive . It's about the idea that it supports and how that affects the women in our community .
it's basically about humanising black people
Damn we can be angry, scream and shout too?
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 12:12:52 PM
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
the misconception! people think !
who gives a fuck. THAT'S the problem and my point. putting too much stock in what outside forces believe and allowing them to define and redefine mess. cut it owt.
if ur whole problem and point is dealing with what white people think then ur way off mark.
Cuz that's not my main concern.
In case u haven't noticed a lot of black people subscribe to these misconceptions , and even create them.
I highly doubt Suzy coined the term "strong black woman" .
yea and those blacks only subscribe to this idea because of how the term is perceived by... wait for it.... white people (or non-blacks at least.) because if that factor didn't exist, they wouldn't have an issue with the term
:letsmessfag:
Oph Let's go back to my OP.
Here's my concern. It's not about white people lol
It's about protecting black women and how "strong black woman" can possibly get in the way of that .
And how it can get in the way of HELPING them.
I even bolded the word in my OP.
This is not about white people for me . So if that's what u been pushing back on since page 1 ...
Fnnfnffnfnnfnfn
My goal here kinda flew over ur head .
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:30:57 AM
And if you can handle anything, do you really need protection? Help?
bby i get ut point, ur missing mine
*****because outside of the perception of this term by whites (or non-blacks)*****
im not seeing how this term is harmful to black women
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 12:24:14 PM
bby i get ut point, ur missing mine
u made ur point clear
Ur referring to "outside forces" and what they believe ...
when I've been focused on what is an internal issue IMO .
Honestly it seems like u may be the one who needs to stop thinking about these "outside forces" so we can have a more productive convo on what's an internal #protectblackwomen issue for me.
And focusing on how WE define and redefine things. Not Bob and Suzy
Quote from: oph'print on August 10, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
the misconception! people think !
who gives a fuck. THAT'S the problem and my point. putting too much stock in what outside forces believe and allowing them to define and redefine mess. cut it owt.
Removing white ppl from the equation, being labeled %u201Cstrong%u201D makes other Black ppl interact with you differently. They put more burdens on you, are less empathetic, more aggressive etc because you%u2019re %u201CSTRONG%u201D and can handle whatever it is more than others. I hear a lot of ppl saying %u201Ccheck on your strong friends%u201D because ppl really ignore them
Quote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
Removing white ppl from the equation, being labeled "strong" makes other Black ppl with you differently. They put more burdens on you, are less empathetic, more aggressive etc because you're "STRONG" and can handle whatever it is more than others. I hear a lot of ppl saying "check on your strong friends" because ppl really ignore them
there u go.
Perfect
Quote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
Removing white ppl from the equation, being labeled %u201Cstrong%u201D makes other Black ppl interact with you differently. They put more burdens on you, are less empathetic, more aggressive etc because you%u2019re %u201CSTRONG%u201D and can handle whatever it is more than others. I hear a lot of ppl saying %u201Ccheck on your strong friends%u201D because ppl really ignore them
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Also I never hear white ppl use that term. It would be weird
Right the only time I ever hear it from them is when
they're trying to emulate black women for comedic effect
i's a strong BLACK woahman!
Quote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
Removing white ppl from the equation, being labeled %u201Cstrong%u201D makes other Black ppl interact with you differently. They put more burdens on you, are less empathetic, more aggressive etc because you%u2019re %u201CSTRONG%u201D and can handle whatever it is more than others. I hear a lot of ppl saying %u201Ccheck on your strong friends%u201D because ppl really ignore them
What page yawl started dragging Oph on?
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Quote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
Removing white ppl from the equation, being labeled %u201Cstrong%u201D makes other Black ppl interact with you differently. They put more burdens on you, are less empathetic, more aggressive etc because you%u2019re %u201CSTRONG%u201D and can handle whatever it is more than others. I hear a lot of ppl saying %u201Ccheck on your strong friends%u201D because ppl really ignore them
n
if were talking about JUST being labeled "strong" and the misconceptions of that on its OWN, thats a different convo
and at the end of the day, people gonna put expectations on you REGARDLESS. so this whole
don't call em dat! aint changing anything, its literally just taking a positive statement and CHOOSING to buy into a negative narrative.
Quote from: YTManzWhore on August 10, 2021, 01:13:15 PM
What page yawl started dragging Oph on?
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Start on page 1
vvccxx hey fans
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Quote from: You'nt know nann ho! on August 10, 2021, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: plastic on August 10, 2021, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: plastic on August 10, 2021, 08:46:15 AM
this is deep
dnndndnd d. Ff fndndn :cmerefag:
dhhdhddhdddbbb
touch me & i'll show u a strong black woman
(http://gossiponthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/joseline-fight-2.gif)
omg plas' jus KILLED 'fro
sumbod' call tha ambalance...nd papa johns, its on tha house tanite
:tistheseas:
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Yh I remember Amerie saying something about this a while ago and she summed it up so succinctly
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAyIadinzFt/
Ughhhh I remember thisssss. I almost nutted.
I'll always stan Quee. All these "we's."
Black self.
Quote from: Kalifornia. on August 10, 2021, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: You'nt know nann ho! on August 10, 2021, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: plastic on August 10, 2021, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: black boy magic ✨ on August 10, 2021, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: plastic on August 10, 2021, 08:46:15 AM
this is deep
dnndndnd d. Ff fndndn :cmerefag:
dhhdhddhdddbbb
touch me & i'll show u a strong black woman
(http://gossiponthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/joseline-fight-2.gif)
omg plas' jus KILLED 'fro
sumbod' call tha ambalance...nd papa johns, its on tha house tanite
:tistheseas:
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
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Do we have a problem with her identifying as part of the Black community?
I remember recently there was a thread about a Blasian woman receiving backlash because she said her business was Black owned.
Ugh QueenRiie. Let me go listen to that horrible EP she put out some years ago and see if my taste changed
Quote from: L0NZ. on August 10, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Do we have a problem with her identifying as part of the Black community?
I remember recently there was a thread about a Blasian woman receiving backlash because she said her business was Black owned.
I don't.
Amerie has always identified as mixed and she knows the privileges that comes with it, but she's always made her blackness known
She's so articulate ugh
Dddddd DMV self
And scrolling through her IG she didn't post that #STOPASIANHATE mess either
She knows what's the fuck up
Quote from: L0NZ. on August 10, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Do we have a problem with her identifying as part of the Black community?
I remember recently there was a thread about a Blasian woman receiving backlash because she said her business was Black owned.
I don't think we would have ever heard of that blasian store owner if it were not for the way she LOOKS.
Unfortunately for her that's a big deal in America
I didn't see how she was singled out until I saw her pic . She looks more Asian than anything else .
Her look and that "black owned" sign on her storefront is what landed her on social media . She said that when she told the customers "my father looks just like u!" They laughed at her .
They just weren't buying it cuz of her phenotype . Which sucks but it's real shit
I can guarantee you if a blasian like Apryl Jones or Tatyana Ali ran that store no one would have cared . Cuz they give "black girl but I think she may be mixed with something"
I didn't even believe GODyana was mixed until Malcolm shoved receipts down my throat. Wr argued for two or three pages straight on it . I just saw her as a pretty black girl.
But once I knew her background I def could see it in her .
Looks are everything in this damn country .
Amerie wouldn't have had that problem. MAYBE but I doubt it. U can see she's black.
Quote from: FxckDemCrackers on August 10, 2021, 05:48:00 PM
And scrolling through her IG she didn't post that #STOPASIANHATE mess either
She knows what's the fuck up
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