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[Herb.]

Some of you are such hypocrites. When Macklemore did it, he was an opportunist. When Beyonce did it, it's organic lmao

Nice try, I'll give you E for effort.

But..

The entire argument in that thread was that Macklemore does not identify as gay but profited off of gay issues.

Beyonce is Black.  She is a woman of African descent. Now if Britney was up in a Black Panther suit singing about her cracker sons having nigger naps, and we crowned her the new Rosa Parks, you'd definitely have a point.

[Young]

Why is this so many pages?

[Herb.]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

dssddddd I see what you did here. Wait Quee'

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[RekeRig]

The visual/choreo is what really drives Formation home. The song is nothing special imo.

pretty much fff the visual is probably the most powerful thing about it

the 'hands up don't shoot' scene, the katrina waters etc;

I (personally) can't find the profundity in her singing about how rich she is and how good she wants to be fucked but this is all subjective

I never argued that the song Formation on its own is some amazing ode to Blackness. 

It's really the entire "Formation" package . I stan for the movement. Not her talking about Red Lobster.  Maybe I need to be clear on that.

oh shit snndnfncnvbbbb well Carry on then babe

[L0NZ.]

Then what? Leave it up to your stans to theorize and make up MESS to give the message more UMPH?

Here are some of the stans you speak of, who have taken something meaningless and turned it into something edgy:









Another VOID argument. Sorry.

Oh wait I didnt see this. No, sorry. You havent proven that this package has impacted and thrust the world into some conversation about race and police. Rudy clearly said he was upset about what her costumes represented in a time where targets are ALREADY on the back of police officers.Meaning the movement and discussions about this mess had already been prevalent in the news. All of the videos you posted are reactions to the Super Bowl performance where the focal point is her costume and what they think it represents. Its left wide open for anyone to make edgy because the song is fuckin pointless and it shouldn't be. And thats the problem people in this thread have with Formation. Beyonce being called racist is bigger than the black pride piece. I wont even comment on that blonde girl because shes a fucking dingbat and made no sense whatsoever. All I see are Foxnews links. they are known for villainizing blacks who they can call race mongers. none of those videos prove that the song's message was loud and clear. They say her outfit was.

[Herb.]

And then Macklemore tried to yet again , profit off of others' issues with "White Privilege".
But that didn't quite pan out.

Some pale faced fool crying about mess he doesn't have to worry about?

[pop]

Is the album in this thread?

[Stunna Gor’]

Some of you are such hypocrites. When Macklemore did it, he was an opportunist. When Beyonce did it, it's organic lmao

Nice try, I'll give you E for effort.

But..

The entire argument in that thread was that Macklemore does not identify as gay but profited off of gay issues.

Beyonce is Black.  She is a woman of African descent. Now if Britney was up in a Black Panther suit singing about her cracker sons having nigger naps, and we crowned her the new Rosa Parks, you'd definitely have a point.

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Fag, keep GODney's name out of this mess. 

But I agree.

[Zankou.]

Is the album in this thread?

ssssdddddd

[Herb.]

Then what? Leave it up to your stans to theorize and make up MESS to give the message more UMPH?

Here are some of the stans you speak of, who have taken something meaningless and turned it into something edgy:









Another VOID argument. Sorry.

Oh wait I didnt see this. No, sorry. You havent proven that this package has impacted and thrust the world into some conversation about race and police. Rudy clearly said he was upset about what her costumes represented in a time where targets are ALREADY on the back of police officers.Meaning the movement and discussions about this mess had already been prevalent in the news. All of the videos you posted are reactions to the Super Bowl performance where the focal point is her costume and what they think it represents. Its left wide open for anyone to make edgy because the song is fuckin pointless and it shouldn't be. And thats the problem people in this thread have with Formation. Beyonce being called racist is bigger than the black pride piece. I wont even comment on that blonde girl because shes a fucking dingbat and made no sense whatsoever. All I see are Foxnews links. they are known for villainizing blacks who they can call race mongers. none of those videos prove that the song's message was loud and clear. They say her outfit was.

#1

You havent proven that this package has impacted and thrust the world into some conversation about race and police.

You're asking me to prove things that I never claimed. If anything I've always said that I am glad to see that 'fas is getting IN on the conversation, in her own way. Never made a claim that she created it.

All of the videos you posted are reactions to the Super Bowl performance where the focal point is her costume and what they think it represents.

Again, showing the impact of her message. You're focused on the lyrics of the song itself. I am looking at the entire package and promotion of this song. Regardless of whether the message is baked into the lyrics, the costumes, the video, hand gestures -- these are all forms in which powerful messages can be sent.

All I see are Foxnews links. they are known for villainizing blacks who they can call race mongers. none of those videos prove that the song's message was loud and clear. They say her outfit was.

I see. Here are some people commenting on things other than the outfit. Business Insider actually gives a breakdown of the political messages she sent through Formation. Enjoy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-messages-in-beyonces-formation-2016-2

[Stunna Gor’]

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[BAPHOMET.]

I am STOMPING in formation

[KING BENTLEY.]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

I mean that her message through her visuals and movement were CLEAR. It wasn't something like Frank typing up a very general letter about a relationship and leaving it to interpretation. Imagine him pairing that letter with a video of him kissing a man instead. It would be taking something that could be left to the imagination, and making sure your message is crystal clear.

It doesn't get more clear than a sign in your video saying "stop shooting us".

Let's be clear on this:
Your opinions on her intent are just that.
But in the grand scheme of morality, impact ALWAYS trumps intent. Regardless of whether the outcome is good or bad. Fact is that she drummed up some valuable conversations and injected many people with a sense of Black pride.

How seriously you take it all is totally up to you. But just know that does NOT affect the impact.

SNL skit...Rudy...Boycott...Social Commentary...Super Bowl...50th Anniversary...Black History Month...still discussing Beyonce

The fucking impact

so you actually buy into the whole "Formation as a movement" thing?

that was a defining moment in your struggle for civil rights?

I'm not trying to be condescending or a bitch
I just want to be clear before I structure my explanation to you on the history of our culture so you better understand how ridiculous claiming that Formation is a movement actually is

[Herb.]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

I mean that her message through her visuals and movement were CLEAR. It wasn't something like Frank typing up a very general letter about a relationship and leaving it to interpretation. Imagine him pairing that letter with a video of him kissing a man instead. It would be taking something that could be left to the imagination, and making sure your message is crystal clear.

It doesn't get more clear than a sign in your video saying "stop shooting us".

Let's be clear on this:
Your opinions on her intent are just that.
But in the grand scheme of morality, impact ALWAYS trumps intent. Regardless of whether the outcome is good or bad. Fact is that she drummed up some valuable conversations and injected many people with a sense of Black pride.

How seriously you take it all is totally up to you. But just know that does NOT affect the impact.

SNL skit...Rudy...Boycott...Social Commentary...Super Bowl...50th Anniversary...Black History Month...still discussing Beyonce

The fucking impact

so you actually buy into the whole "Formation as a movement" thing?

that was a defining moment in your struggle for civil rights?

I'm not trying to be condescending or a bitch
I just want to be clear before I structure my explanation to you on the history of our culture so you better understand how ridiculous claiming that Formation is a movement actually is

The term movement is highly subjective.

A movement could be something as small as two coworkers coming together to get their boss fired. Or as big as hundreds of men and women joining each other in an effort to strategically take down an entire corporation.

It could be one person who feels the need to spread the word of God in the streets.
Or an entire congregation working in hopes to spiritually heal an entire city.

Some of you see the term and the only thing that comes to mind is the Civil Rights movement. That's not the only movement people can make. And someone using the term doesn't mean they're comparing or suggesting that Formation is anywhere near such a grand scale of a movement.

[RAY7]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

I mean that her message through her visuals and movement were CLEAR. It wasn't something like Frank typing up a very general letter about a relationship and leaving it to interpretation. Imagine him pairing that letter with a video of him kissing a man instead. It would be taking something that could be left to the imagination, and making sure your message is crystal clear.

It doesn't get more clear than a sign in your video saying "stop shooting us".

Let's be clear on this:
Your opinions on her intent are just that.
But in the grand scheme of morality, impact ALWAYS trumps intent. Regardless of whether the outcome is good or bad. Fact is that she drummed up some valuable conversations and injected many people with a sense of Black pride.

How seriously you take it all is totally up to you. But just know that does NOT affect the impact.

SNL skit...Rudy...Boycott...Social Commentary...Super Bowl...50th Anniversary...Black History Month...still discussing Beyonce

The fucking impact

so you actually buy into the whole "Formation as a movement" thing?

that was a defining moment in your struggle for civil rights?

I'm not trying to be condescending or a bitch
I just want to be clear before I structure my explanation to you on the history of our culture so you better understand how ridiculous claiming that Formation is a movement actually is

The term movement is highly subjective.

A movement could be something as small as two coworkers coming together to get their boss fired. Or as big as hundreds of men and women joining each other in an effort to strategically take down an entire corporation.

It could be one person who feels the need to spread the word of God in the streets.
Or an entire congregation working in hopes to spiritually heal an entire city.

Some of you see the term and the only thing that comes to mind is the Civil Rights movement. That's not the only movement people can make. And someone using the term doesn't mean they're comparing or suggesting that Formation is anywhere near such a grand scale of a movement.

wow school him then Fro