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[Herb.]

I don't see any forced eurocentric standard of beauty element here. Unless the individual decides to take that on themselves, thats their bag.

Are you at all familiar with the impact of Eurocentrism on black women in America?

Yes. When it comes to things like hair and skin tone I would agree. In this instance, I don't see it.

It doesn't stop at hair and skin.

Have you ever heard of Lil Kim

For people who have issues with their beauty and are influenced by the eurocentric definition of it, then yes for them it doesn't stop at hair and skin tone.

But what I'm saying is in general, people who wear contacts, are doing it to be different, not white. Its an eye colour thing. Not a white beauty thing. As green and blue and grey eyes aren't exclusive to white people. Its just like make up and eye lashes and fake nails, all that mess.

So black women also perm/straighten their hair to be "different"? With your logic here, as long as it's not directly related to white people (e.g. coloring the hair blond), it really is unrelated to Eurocentrism. Is this your stance?

Someone can straighten and treat their hair because they are so lazy and don't want to go through a hair care regime. And thats their only reason. So are they now 'white beauty loving sell outs?

The intention dictates the cause.

So stop labelling everyone as the same. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do, and WE know them.

Yes definitely weaves and that whole bag in general is related to the influence of white standards of beauty, i totally believe in its effects, I'm not arguing that it doesn't.

BUT AGAIN eye colour is not exclusive to any ONE race, so NO, there is a distinction here.

I think the problem is that you're taking my comments as condemnation, when that's the last thing I'd do. Any comment I make in relation to Eurocentrism is in regard to its broad, inescapable impact its had on MY people.

Just because someone pops a contact in their eye, or perms their hair does NOT mean their goal is to become a white woman. However, there are many influences which are both direct and indirect in our societal structure which tell our black women what is beautiful, and what is not.

The results of its impact is sometimes shown in very potent doses , and at other times in more minuscule amounts. Regardless of capacity, the effects can never be ignored or negated.

[ZuZu]

I don't see any forced eurocentric standard of beauty element here. Unless the individual decides to take that on themselves, thats their bag.

Are you at all familiar with the impact of Eurocentrism on black women in America?

Yes. When it comes to things like hair and skin tone I would agree. In this instance, I don't see it.

It doesn't stop at hair and skin.

Have you ever heard of Lil Kim

For people who have issues with their beauty and are influenced by the eurocentric definition of it, then yes for them it doesn't stop at hair and skin tone.

But what I'm saying is in general, people who wear contacts, are doing it to be different, not white. Its an eye colour thing. Not a white beauty thing. As green and blue and grey eyes aren't exclusive to white people. Its just like make up and eye lashes and fake nails, all that mess.

So black women also perm/straighten their hair to be "different"? With your logic here, as long as it's not directly related to white people (e.g. coloring the hair blond), it really is unrelated to Eurocentrism. Is this your stance?

Someone can straighten and treat their hair because they are so lazy and don't want to go through a hair care regime. And thats their only reason. So are they now 'white beauty loving sell outs?

The intention dictates the cause.

So stop labelling everyone as the same. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do, and WE know them.

Yes definitely weaves and that whole bag in general is related to the influence of white standards of beauty, i totally believe in its effects, I'm not arguing that it doesn't.

BUT AGAIN eye colour is not exclusive to any ONE race, so NO, there is a distinction here.

I think the problem is that you're taking my comments as condemnation, when that's the last thing I'd do. Any comment I make in relation to Eurocentrism is in regard to its broad, inescapable impact its had on MY people.

Just because someone pops a contact in their eye, or perms their hair does NOT mean their goal is to become a white woman. However, there are many influences which are both direct and indirect in our societal structure which tell our black women what is beautiful, and what is not.

The results of its impact is sometimes shown in very potent doses , and at other times in more minuscule amounts. Regardless of capacity, the effects can never be ignored or negated.

LOL im not disputing any of that.

All I'm saying is not when it comes to eye colour, i don't see the white beauty agenda influence thing. lol

[AfroJisiac]

When Kenya got on the show at first i found her eyes beautiful but cause thy looked natural and bright but then a couple of episodes later the camera angle gave me contact teas (u can notice contacts sometimes with the lightin').. so i was not disappointed but i was like "ow ok i got fooled lol"

the thing is ... i love her how her hair look natural and since she claims it's all natural so i think i will be really disappointed if i find out it aint true..  ok now..i get sometimes she have extensions on but all her hair better not be a full and complete lacefront since she claims it's hers

[Herb.]

I don't see any forced eurocentric standard of beauty element here. Unless the individual decides to take that on themselves, thats their bag.

Are you at all familiar with the impact of Eurocentrism on black women in America?

Yes. When it comes to things like hair and skin tone I would agree. In this instance, I don't see it.

It doesn't stop at hair and skin.

Have you ever heard of Lil Kim

For people who have issues with their beauty and are influenced by the eurocentric definition of it, then yes for them it doesn't stop at hair and skin tone.

But what I'm saying is in general, people who wear contacts, are doing it to be different, not white. Its an eye colour thing. Not a white beauty thing. As green and blue and grey eyes aren't exclusive to white people. Its just like make up and eye lashes and fake nails, all that mess.

So black women also perm/straighten their hair to be "different"? With your logic here, as long as it's not directly related to white people (e.g. coloring the hair blond), it really is unrelated to Eurocentrism. Is this your stance?

Someone can straighten and treat their hair because they are so lazy and don't want to go through a hair care regime. And thats their only reason. So are they now 'white beauty loving sell outs?

The intention dictates the cause.

So stop labelling everyone as the same. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do, and WE know them.

Yes definitely weaves and that whole bag in general is related to the influence of white standards of beauty, i totally believe in its effects, I'm not arguing that it doesn't.

BUT AGAIN eye colour is not exclusive to any ONE race, so NO, there is a distinction here.

I think the problem is that you're taking my comments as condemnation, when that's the last thing I'd do. Any comment I make in relation to Eurocentrism is in regard to its broad, inescapable impact its had on MY people.

Just because someone pops a contact in their eye, or perms their hair does NOT mean their goal is to become a white woman. However, there are many influences which are both direct and indirect in our societal structure which tell our black women what is beautiful, and what is not.

The results of its impact is sometimes shown in very potent doses , and at other times in more minuscule amounts. Regardless of capacity, the effects can never be ignored or negated.

LOL im not disputing any of that.

All I'm saying is not when it comes to eye colour, i don't see the white beauty agenda influence thing. lol

And that's your opinion. You're welcome to it.

However, I'll stick to facts. And one fact is that black women are taught to believe that EVERYTHING about them is wrong and needs to be fixed in some way.

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Y'all funny

[AIDS!]

When Kenya got on the show at first i found her eyes beautiful but cause thy looked natural and bright but then a couple of episodes later the camera angle gave me contact teas (u can notice contacts sometimes with the lightin').. so i was not disappointed but i was like "ow ok i got fooled lol"

the thing is ... i love her how her hair look natural and since she claims it's all natural so i think i will be really disappointed if i find out it aint true..  ok now..i get sometimes she have extensions on but all her hair better not be a full and complete lacefront since she claims it's hers

hhjjj
Why would you be disappointed

[ZuZu]

I don't see any forced eurocentric standard of beauty element here. Unless the individual decides to take that on themselves, thats their bag.

Are you at all familiar with the impact of Eurocentrism on black women in America?

Yes. When it comes to things like hair and skin tone I would agree. In this instance, I don't see it.

It doesn't stop at hair and skin.

Have you ever heard of Lil Kim

For people who have issues with their beauty and are influenced by the eurocentric definition of it, then yes for them it doesn't stop at hair and skin tone.

But what I'm saying is in general, people who wear contacts, are doing it to be different, not white. Its an eye colour thing. Not a white beauty thing. As green and blue and grey eyes aren't exclusive to white people. Its just like make up and eye lashes and fake nails, all that mess.

So black women also perm/straighten their hair to be "different"? With your logic here, as long as it's not directly related to white people (e.g. coloring the hair blond), it really is unrelated to Eurocentrism. Is this your stance?

Someone can straighten and treat their hair because they are so lazy and don't want to go through a hair care regime. And thats their only reason. So are they now 'white beauty loving sell outs?

The intention dictates the cause.

So stop labelling everyone as the same. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do, and WE know them.

Yes definitely weaves and that whole bag in general is related to the influence of white standards of beauty, i totally believe in its effects, I'm not arguing that it doesn't.

BUT AGAIN eye colour is not exclusive to any ONE race, so NO, there is a distinction here.

I think the problem is that you're taking my comments as condemnation, when that's the last thing I'd do. Any comment I make in relation to Eurocentrism is in regard to its broad, inescapable impact its had on MY people.

Just because someone pops a contact in their eye, or perms their hair does NOT mean their goal is to become a white woman. However, there are many influences which are both direct and indirect in our societal structure which tell our black women what is beautiful, and what is not.

The results of its impact is sometimes shown in very potent doses , and at other times in more minuscule amounts. Regardless of capacity, the effects can never be ignored or negated.

LOL im not disputing any of that.

All I'm saying is not when it comes to eye colour, i don't see the white beauty agenda influence thing. lol

And that's your opinion. You're welcome to it.

However, I'll stick to facts. And one fact is that black women are taught to believe that EVERYTHING about them is wrong and needs to be fixed in some way.

oh afro 

[Admin]

Leave Lil' Kim alone

[CarseyWerner]

Maybe your disappointment is the very reason they wear them. Seems like you guys deem these women less attractive now that you know the truth

[AIDS!]

I can see Zu's point
Lighter eyes are coveted by every race, especially whites.

[Herb.]

When Kenya got on the show at first i found her eyes beautiful but cause thy looked natural and bright but then a couple of episodes later the camera angle gave me contact teas (u can notice contacts sometimes with the lightin').. so i was not disappointed but i was like "ow ok i got fooled lol"

the thing is ... i love her how her hair look natural and since she claims it's all natural so i think i will be really disappointed if i find out it aint true..  ok now..i get sometimes she have extensions on but all her hair better not be a full and complete lacefront since she claims it's hers

hhjjj
Why would you be disappointed

Kenya's whole thing is her beauty. You don't see women walking around looking like Kenya Moore every day.

To find bits of pieces of this "beauty" she gives is not even hers naturally, I could see how it would be a  bit disappointing. 

But that's her hair. She just adds extensions here and there sometimes.

Me pointing out her contacts wasn't CONDEMNING her to the pits of hell for being a sell out, like ZuZu tried to make it seem.  I still live for Kenya. NEVER get it twisted.

[SUPREME]

Maybe your disappointment is the very reason they wear them. Seems like you guys deem these women less attractive now that you know the truth

I agree with this

[Herb.]

Maybe your disappointment is the very reason they wear them. Seems like you guys deem these women less attractive now that you know the truth

Good logic but not applicable with me.

I stan for natural beauties.

I'm the last person you'll find worshipping 10 feet of weave installed in someone's head.

[AIDS!]

But I can see your point
They don't NEED 'em, but I don't think they rely on them either

[Herb.]

I still stan for Kenya. Not one point in this thread did I say she was less pretty because of colored contact usage.

I expressed my disappointment in her being one of "those gorls" who run around with colored contacts in their eyes. There's a huge difference.

So any unrelated conclusions drawn are purely based on assumption.