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I think Kenya's eyes are naturally light brown, even if she does wear contacts now.  They looked lighter in old pics
From the early 90's.

[Herb.]

I don't see any forced eurocentric standard of beauty element here. Unless the individual decides to take that on themselves, thats their bag.

Are you at all familiar with the impact of Eurocentrism on black women in America?

Yes. When it comes to things like hair and skin tone I would agree. In this instance, I don't see it.

It doesn't stop at hair and skin.

Have you ever heard of Lil Kim

For people who have issues with their beauty and are influenced by the eurocentric definition of it, then yes for them it doesn't stop at hair and skin tone.

But what I'm saying is in general, people who wear contacts, are doing it to be different, not white. Its an eye colour thing. Not a white beauty thing. As green and blue and grey eyes aren't exclusive to white people. Its just like make up and eye lashes and fake nails, all that mess.

So black women also perm/straighten their hair to be "different"? With your logic here, as long as it's not directly related to white people (e.g. coloring the hair blond), it really is unrelated to Eurocentrism. Is this your stance?

Someone can straighten and treat their hair because they are so lazy and don't want to go through a hair care regime. And thats their only reason. So are they now 'white beauty loving sell outs?

The intention dictates the cause.

So stop labelling everyone as the same. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do, and WE know them.

Yes definitely weaves and that whole bag in general is related to the influence of white standards of beauty, i totally believe in its effects, I'm not arguing that it doesn't.

BUT AGAIN eye colour is not exclusive to any ONE race, so NO, there is a distinction here.

I think the problem is that you're taking my comments as condemnation, when that's the last thing I'd do. Any comment I make in relation to Eurocentrism is in regard to its broad, inescapable impact its had on MY people.

Just because someone pops a contact in their eye, or perms their hair does NOT mean their goal is to become a white woman. However, there are many influences which are both direct and indirect in our societal structure which tell our black women what is beautiful, and what is not.

The results of its impact is sometimes shown in very potent doses , and at other times in more minuscule amounts. Regardless of capacity, the effects can never be ignored or negated.

LOL im not disputing any of that.

All I'm saying is not when it comes to eye colour, i don't see the white beauty agenda influence thing. lol

And that's your opinion. You're welcome to it.

However, I'll stick to facts. And one fact is that black women are taught to believe that EVERYTHING about them is wrong and needs to be fixed in some way.

oh afro 

Luv u hun.Luv u to death

But someone over in Europe cannot tell me what may have a deeper root in my community and what doesn't.  Not when our own people have Precious dressed in a blond wig, being named Becky and claiming she's half white, while every other dark complected woman in the show is playing a servant or being called ugly. right on TV, right on our most popular show. Just luv ya though. u know that 

[The Brandy Barbie]

I was fooled by Kenya.  Because she wears those same color contacts all the time.  I had never seen her real eyes.  Naomi changes the color from blue to green to brown.  And at the beginning of her career she didn't have those contacts.

[ZuZu]

I don't see any forced eurocentric standard of beauty element here. Unless the individual decides to take that on themselves, thats their bag.

Are you at all familiar with the impact of Eurocentrism on black women in America?

Yes. When it comes to things like hair and skin tone I would agree. In this instance, I don't see it.

It doesn't stop at hair and skin.

Have you ever heard of Lil Kim

For people who have issues with their beauty and are influenced by the eurocentric definition of it, then yes for them it doesn't stop at hair and skin tone.

But what I'm saying is in general, people who wear contacts, are doing it to be different, not white. Its an eye colour thing. Not a white beauty thing. As green and blue and grey eyes aren't exclusive to white people. Its just like make up and eye lashes and fake nails, all that mess.

So black women also perm/straighten their hair to be "different"? With your logic here, as long as it's not directly related to white people (e.g. coloring the hair blond), it really is unrelated to Eurocentrism. Is this your stance?

Someone can straighten and treat their hair because they are so lazy and don't want to go through a hair care regime. And thats their only reason. So are they now 'white beauty loving sell outs?

The intention dictates the cause.

So stop labelling everyone as the same. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do, and WE know them.

Yes definitely weaves and that whole bag in general is related to the influence of white standards of beauty, i totally believe in its effects, I'm not arguing that it doesn't.

BUT AGAIN eye colour is not exclusive to any ONE race, so NO, there is a distinction here.

I think the problem is that you're taking my comments as condemnation, when that's the last thing I'd do. Any comment I make in relation to Eurocentrism is in regard to its broad, inescapable impact its had on MY people.

Just because someone pops a contact in their eye, or perms their hair does NOT mean their goal is to become a white woman. However, there are many influences which are both direct and indirect in our societal structure which tell our black women what is beautiful, and what is not.

The results of its impact is sometimes shown in very potent doses , and at other times in more minuscule amounts. Regardless of capacity, the effects can never be ignored or negated.

LOL im not disputing any of that.

All I'm saying is not when it comes to eye colour, i don't see the white beauty agenda influence thing. lol

And that's your opinion. You're welcome to it.

However, I'll stick to facts. And one fact is that black women are taught to believe that EVERYTHING about them is wrong and needs to be fixed in some way.

oh afro 

Luv u hun.Luv u to death

But someone over in Europe cannot tell me what may have a deeper root in my community and what doesn't.  Not when our own people have Precious dressed in a blond wig, being named Becky and claiming she's half white, while every other dark complected woman in the show is playing a servant or being called ugly. right on TV, right on our most popular show. Just luv ya though. u know that

Afro you're not able to discern a point or make a distinction. Most else in the thread got the point though so its cool lol, love u too u know that.

[United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳]

Colored contacts, for those who wear them, are no different than highlighting your hair etc.



The contacts on Kenya and Naomi actually look nice on them and slightly enhance their presence if that makes sense. Not their features..

[United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳]

They normally don't look nice on blacks because they don't "need" colorful eyes but they look nice on those 2..

[FINE.]

wtf

[AIDS!]

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[Herb.]

I don't see any forced eurocentric standard of beauty element here. Unless the individual decides to take that on themselves, thats their bag.

Are you at all familiar with the impact of Eurocentrism on black women in America?

Yes. When it comes to things like hair and skin tone I would agree. In this instance, I don't see it.

It doesn't stop at hair and skin.

Have you ever heard of Lil Kim

For people who have issues with their beauty and are influenced by the eurocentric definition of it, then yes for them it doesn't stop at hair and skin tone.

But what I'm saying is in general, people who wear contacts, are doing it to be different, not white. Its an eye colour thing. Not a white beauty thing. As green and blue and grey eyes aren't exclusive to white people. Its just like make up and eye lashes and fake nails, all that mess.

So black women also perm/straighten their hair to be "different"? With your logic here, as long as it's not directly related to white people (e.g. coloring the hair blond), it really is unrelated to Eurocentrism. Is this your stance?

Someone can straighten and treat their hair because they are so lazy and don't want to go through a hair care regime. And thats their only reason. So are they now 'white beauty loving sell outs?

The intention dictates the cause.

So stop labelling everyone as the same. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do, and WE know them.

Yes definitely weaves and that whole bag in general is related to the influence of white standards of beauty, i totally believe in its effects, I'm not arguing that it doesn't.

BUT AGAIN eye colour is not exclusive to any ONE race, so NO, there is a distinction here.

I think the problem is that you're taking my comments as condemnation, when that's the last thing I'd do. Any comment I make in relation to Eurocentrism is in regard to its broad, inescapable impact its had on MY people.

Just because someone pops a contact in their eye, or perms their hair does NOT mean their goal is to become a white woman. However, there are many influences which are both direct and indirect in our societal structure which tell our black women what is beautiful, and what is not.

The results of its impact is sometimes shown in very potent doses , and at other times in more minuscule amounts. Regardless of capacity, the effects can never be ignored or negated.

LOL im not disputing any of that.

All I'm saying is not when it comes to eye colour, i don't see the white beauty agenda influence thing. lol

And that's your opinion. You're welcome to it.

However, I'll stick to facts. And one fact is that black women are taught to believe that EVERYTHING about them is wrong and needs to be fixed in some way.

oh afro 

Luv u hun.Luv u to death

But someone over in Europe cannot tell me what may have a deeper root in my community and what doesn't.  Not when our own people have Precious dressed in a blond wig, being named Becky and claiming she's half white, while every other dark complected woman in the show is playing a servant or being called ugly. right on TV, right on our most popular show. Just luv ya though. u know that

Afro you're not able to discern a point or make a distinction. Most else in the thread got the point though so its cool lol, love u too u know that.

I get your point, loud and clear.

Your point is that light eyes are not an exclusively European feature. So someone putting colored contacts in does not make them a wanna white womuh.

But here's the reality -- most black people who have light eyes are of a significant admixture, usually European admixture. Or simply inherited a recessive gene from our slave masters that had skipped generations and happened to land on them. It is also very rare to see.

HALF of Americans in the 20th century had blue eyes. And guess what, it wasn't mostly the blacks, Hispanics, or Native Americans walking around with them. It was not until interracial marriage became more acceptable that this began to change, as more MELANIN creeped into everyone's genetic  makeup.

However, the IMAGE of the blue eyed, blond haired woman as the "ideal" of beauty has not crept out of psyches just yet. How can it? We see it everywhere. If it's not the white woman herself, there is a black woman wearing blond hair on a poster board somewhere.

I can't speak for where you are, but a majority of people in this country with those colored eyes are WHITE. It's simple as day.  Melanin controls the skin color and eye color, which is why its RARE that you see any of us walking around with icy blue or green eyes. We are DRENCHED in melanin.

Thankfully. 

So this goes back to my point about EUROCENTRISM. Blacks who have green/blue eyes are usually highly admixed with EUROPEAN. Possibly half white, or maybe a quarter white. Not hispanic or Native blood. Do you get it now?

We don't bat an EYE in the states when we see a white person with green or blue eyes. It's expected. But on a black person it's like WOW. R u mixed  where did it come from? 

[LOONA.]

I still stan for Kenya. Not one point in this thread did I say she was less pretty because of colored contact usage.

I expressed my disappointment in her being one of "those gorls" who run around with colored contacts in their eyes. There's a huge difference.

So any unrelated conclusions drawn are purely based on assumption.

But why is Kenya suddenly one of "those girls" because she wears colored contacts? 

[Genesis]

You guys know I have an ongoing love affair with beautiful dark skinned women.    Kenya is (was) quite high on my list. Naomi is somewhere in the middle. I always thought they had the most beautiful eyes. So you could imagine my dismay to find out that they both wear colored contacts.

A big reason I love these women is because of their unapologetic pride in their own skin, heritage and natural beauty. I thought GODya and 'omi were better than the whole 1998 colored contact mess. Still love them but for some reason I'm so disappointed. I feel as if these types of "add-ons" say that our natural God given beauty isn't enough. This is better, this is prettier.

You don't see white women going around changing their icy blue eyes or green eyes to brown. But mess. I still love them, but it's tainted. Ignorance is truly bliss.

So now black women cant wear contacts? If they can pull it off, why not?

And btw. White women tan their skin, get ass shots and lip plumpers. Dont even try it, hun.

[United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳]

I still stan for Kenya. Not one point in this thread did I say she was less pretty because of colored contact usage.

I expressed my disappointment in her being one of "those gorls" who run around with colored contacts in their eyes. There's a huge difference.

So any unrelated conclusions drawn are purely based on assumption.

But why is Kenya suddenly one of "those girls" because she wears colored contacts? 

!!!

[Young]

I don't mind them. It's like dying your hair and things. As long as it's not all the time or trying to claim them as natural

[Herb.]

I still stan for Kenya. Not one point in this thread did I say she was less pretty because of colored contact usage.

I expressed my disappointment in her being one of "those gorls" who run around with colored contacts in their eyes. There's a huge difference.

So any unrelated conclusions drawn are purely based on assumption.

But why is Kenya suddenly one of "those girls" because she wears colored contacts? 

Let's not act oblivious to the running joke about black people who wear colored contacts.  And I put "those gorls" into quotations for a reason. It was referring to that joke. This doesn't change my love for Kenya. Or my stanship tbfh. I'm just a lil disappointed. I thought she was au naturale. That's all. 

Kinda like a man seeing a girl who he thought was pretty, with a nice boovey
bringing her home to have sex only to see her remove the butt pads.
he's gonna be like   just a bit at first.
but u know damn well he still gonna fuck. 

[Herb.]

Make no mistake faggots

I still STAN for GODya

Why are u guys taking this as me burning my stan card or something?

She's still kinda that bitch.